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Edit warringEdit
Hello, please stop edit warring on the RuneScape:Players don't deserve articles page. Stop editing it, and discuss the changes that you want to make on the policy's talk page. Thanks. Ajraddatz 15:32, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I did, and no-one disagreed. Why don't you guys stop reverting? Smithing 15:53, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know... but either way, thanks for your further attempts to discuss it. Ajraddatz 16:12, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I also added another section to the talk page so this can be discussed further after the revert by Evil, however there doesn't appear to be any objections to my revert yet, and there shouldn't be. Smithing 19:07, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- What did I just say? Stop reverting. Go and talk with him in a civilized manner on his talk page if you must, but if you make one more revert on that page I'll block you. Ajraddatz 23:10, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I knew that before you told me. Smithing 23:14, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- What did I just say? Stop reverting. Go and talk with him in a civilized manner on his talk page if you must, but if you make one more revert on that page I'll block you. Ajraddatz 23:10, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I also added another section to the talk page so this can be discussed further after the revert by Evil, however there doesn't appear to be any objections to my revert yet, and there shouldn't be. Smithing 19:07, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't know... but either way, thanks for your further attempts to discuss it. Ajraddatz 16:12, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
Your userpage Edit
I created it with {{user}}, feel free to edit it to your liking. 
02:17, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Wiki vs. Wikia Edit
We are a wiki, Wikia is a company and the hosting wikifarm. Please try not to use the words interchangeably. 
Evil1888 Talk A's L 
03:42, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Got it. Smithing 03:51, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Misthalin Edit
Why did you change the referencing templates I had put in? MattTalk 04:04, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
- Also, [http://www.runescape.com/kbase/guid/history_of_the_world_of_runescape#the_second_age the game guide suggests that any civilization was formed during the Second Age.] Is that reference adequate? MattTalk 04:09, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
- I changed the template because no-one could see them (there was a red error message). The references you had were reliable. And just fyi, the problem is the often accepted part, it is already said nothing is known. Smithing 18:06, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, when someone sends you a message on your talk page, if you respond on their talk page with a section like "Re:Misthalin" they get notified when you respond straight away, and when they respond, you get notified straight away. It's useful, because it makes conversation happen faster. Some people hate doing that, though. MattTalk 23:42, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Changes Edit
Do NOT require consensus. Stop it.--Degenret01 03:21, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
- The guide is often just insane when it is being worked on, so much wrong info or bad info or non relevant info is added. It is a far different thing than a "completed" work. The warning is justified and necessary.--Degenret01 03:30, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
- In this case the dispute tag makes no sense unless there is actually a dispute. Corrections are being made constantly, hour by hour, on new guides. People should be aware of that. And no, it does not tell us admins not to delete it, we already know better. --Degenret01 08:22, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
since I won't be an admin much longer~ Edit
I need to get my shits and giggles somewhere. This is for you, observed in the IRC channel. Everyone's so culty and cliquey that I'm sure nothing will come of it if you speak up, but it's more of an fyi. read towards the middle, right after the long links.
direct link since it gets squished weird
Christine 08:16, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
- I find it sad that someone would say that. I always look at things using direct facts (and get extremely high marks in school because of this). This is the sort of stuff that very pathetic and inconsiderate people say in order to make themselves feel better, and it will not get them far in life. Smithing 17:32, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
Featured images discussion Edit
Since Suppa isn't here I'll field this one. The discussion was not closed prematurely. It had been two days since the last new person came to offer a support/oppose, and the discussion at that time was just a long back-and-forth between you and Cook. Furthermore, we don't count votes and rely on a consensus system. Even by the measures of "rough consensus," 70% is needed, which was not attained. --King LiquidheliumTalk 16:55, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, the last person with a support/oppose was Psycho Robot, who opposed, so the "trend support" thing doesn't quite work. Second, if you look at the discussion, there was very little new stuff. New commentators were very sparse. I had to scroll up just to find the last support/oppose comment from the bottom of the page, and I had to scroll up another page length to find the second to last support/oppose. That means the discussion is more or less dead, and that further discussion would be unlikely to result in any difference of opinion. --King LiquidheliumTalk 02:14, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
RE:Please re-openEdit
Hey, don't worry, I'm not ignoring your question. I'll answer you properly in a bit. Suppa chuppa T C CVRC 23:30, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- First, we don't go by democracy, so the number of supporters/opposers is irrelevant for the most part. In any cases, your percentages were off. Additionally, the result of the previous thread had to be taken into account, and by the time it was closed, discussion had been exhausted. Suppa chuppa T C CVRC 23:49, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
- It had been a few days since the last real comment when I closed the thread, and I see nothing in the way of a "shift of opinion". I understand that you may be disheartened by my decision in closing the thread, but it was clear that although some users wanted to see the restrictions removed, others wished that they remain in place. Although it may seem to you that the supporters made stronger arguments than those in opposition, I disagree. There were valid points made by both parties and it was fairly clear that there was no consensus on the issue. Suppa chuppa T C CVRC 07:40, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Partyhat Edit
| C Teng (talk) has awarded Smithing with a Blue partyhat!
This award was given to Smithing for being the most thorough featured article critic outside Wikipedia. —11:28, May 16, 2011 (UTC) |
Rollback Edit
You now have the ability to use rollback. Please use it only for obvious vandalism; good faith edits deserve an edit reason. Cheers. C.ChiamTalk 04:04, June 4, 2011 (UTC)
Test Edit
| Hello, Smithing. You have new messages at [[User talk:{{{1}}}|Smithing's talk page]]. |
Test 2 Edit
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| Hello, Smithing. You have new messages at [[User talk:{{{1}}}|Smithing's talk page]]. Message added 03:15, June 6, 2011 (UTC). |
Test 3 Edit
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| Hello, Smithing. You have new messages at Smithing's talk page. Message added 22:34, June 13, 2011 (UTC). |
86.175.81.246 Edit
Instead of reverting, you should have undone his edit with an explanation. Revert is not to be used to fix mistakes.--Degenret01 07:43, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
u ninja me on welcoming Edit
me sad nao 
MattTalk 06:32, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
This Edit
Is what happens when we try to welcome the same person at the same time. Happens to me and Joeytje50 alot. 
Coelacanth0794 Talk 
16:32, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
FIMG Edit
I haven't actually asked anyone yet. When I thought of nomming the image, I wrote up that thread and went straight to playing the Sims for a few hours. 
I then got kicked off the computer, and I only got back on now. I was planning to ask someone like Cook or Suppa to nom it in the irc, but if you're offering...
Shake Hands Emote Image Edit
I am removing the image on the Shake Hands Emote page because the image is essentially also achieving the effect of publicly advertising a clan which has "trolled" the Roleplaying community for some time now. I have no doubts that this image was left by one of their members. If this image were to be replaced with one that did not show any advertisements for said, or any, clan, I would have no reason to delete it and therefore would not.
I hope my continued deletion of the image hasn't created too much of an issue.
Thanks,
fordTOUGH787
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Hey there, wanna play a game of Wii Bowling? Youdead0002:07, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Shake Hands Emote Image Edit
Alright, I'll see about doing one of those things. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FordTOUGH787 (talk).
Seren sources Edit
Hey (: So I've noticed you doing a lot of references and sources lately. If you want, I noticed the Seren article has no references or sources whatsoever. Not only does it need them just for the article, but also for Category:Serenists. Apparently unintelligent animals follow Seren but we have no proof of this. <.< So before I clean up that category, if you have any references that you could put on her article, that'd be great. (: 
02:33, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
Hey mr. ninjaEdit
Would it be ok with you if I nominated you for UOTM? Coelacanth0794 Talk 16:45, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
- So you don't? It'd be for this month. Only one other user is nominated. Coelacanth0794 Talk 16:50, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
Staff of armadyl Edit
I added to it because Armadyl's a proper noun... and it didn't have a capital letter, even though that's what it is in game... I just thought... MattTalk 01:15, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
Re:Userpage EditsEdit
I'm well aware of our policies, I'm simply leaving welcome notices to new editors, as clearly stated in my summaries. See RS:AGF. Ronan Talk 14:07, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, you were right, it was my mistake to have them on the userpage in the first place. I'll be more careful. Ronan Talk 14:20, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
Bah, my mistake...again. =/ Ronan Talk 21:32, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
HeyEdit
Thanks for welcoming me, let me know if you have any jobs that need doing, I'm happy to help out. :) D1D 22:34, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! When talking, do people usually alternate between each other's talk pages, or do you usually keep it on one? D1D 22:46, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Hey smithing stop correcting my edits ok *****? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crazylen95 (talk) on 23:26, August 1, 2011 (UTC).
RE:Cook's Assistant Edit
Hey again Smith. Regarding the Cook's Assistant - I really feel that this user's revision of the page is preferable to your own, which includes messier language and incorrect grammar. Using "He tells you" instead of "He says" is neater and more official, in my opinion at least. The word 'you' is used five more times in the anon's version, but these are well spaced out in the page, and I disagree that it makes the page seem repetitive. I'm going to revert back to the anonymous contributor's version now, and if possible subsitute some you's for a superior word. If you have further reason to debate these changes, please let me know on my talk page before reverting to your own version again. Thanks, Ronan Talk 11:20, August 8, 2011 (UTC) 
First off, using "He says" is like using "He walked" instead of "He strolled" etc. It's simply better language to use "He tells you".
I see what you mean about the pot, but I was trying to get rid of a "you" to compromise for the one added in the above section, as you found them repetitive. That will be added back presently.
Your point on obtaining the super large egg section is taken. This phrasing isn't really relevant, and I merely intended to introduce a point of view - it could be either north of the castle or south-east of the Mill Lane Mill, depending on how one was looking at it, but if you feel "and" is a more suitable alternative, then I'll support it.
As for the extra fine "kind" and "flour", I don't really think either of them are suitable choice, and that sentence should be rephrased into something like "Talk to Millie Miller about making extra fine flour before climbing to the top floor, as otherwise she will not convert it," because, as you say, the word flour is used rather too much.
Finally, I wasn't aware of any changes made to the "Required" section. When I revised the page, I reverted it back to this version, and looking at the page's history log I see that more requirements were added during that time. I didn't scroll that far down the page, so I wasn't aware of the changes. I'll add them back now. 
Thanks, Ronan Talk 14:49, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, none of the issues you've brought up are that big of a deal, and as such each of the minor issues are as important as each other. Using tells is just a better choice of word.
As for the use of "it is advised" (Thank you for supplying me with a dictionary definition, by the way). I can't really see why you have a problem with this. You're completely right, I am telling the reader what I think he/she should do. Why on earth wouldn't I? It would be easier to take the pot from the table while the player is right beside it. If, however, they choose not to this for whatever reason, or happen to skip that section, they can then buy both of the items from a general store. What possible reason do we have not to give the readers another way of getting these items, should they so desire? If, for whatever reason, they don't like one option, all they have to do is go with the other. I can't see why you'd have an issue with this either.
"Talk to Millie Miller about making extra fine flour from your normal flour before climbing to the top floor, as otherwise she will not convert it." Again, this is simply one's point of view. Players are incapable of making extra fine flour, and as such it is to be assumed that the flour that the player makes is normal, thus requiring the assistance of the NPC to make it extra fine. If you truly disapprove of this, then by all means feel free to word it yourself.
"As otherwise she will not convert it" Once again, I don't understand where you see fault in this sentence. If you fail to talk to her before operating the hopper, the flour will not be converted. If you so wish, we can say "Talk to Millie Miller about making extra fine flour from your normal flour before climbing to the top. She will then convert it." This, however, does nothing for anyone apart from making the sentence worse. I trust that anyone doing the quest would have sufficient mental capabilities to understand that if she is not spoken to, she will not convert the flour, therefore if she is spoken to, she will. Really, it isn't all that complex.
If you find faults with anything else on the page, just let me know, but in all honesty I wouldn't describe three extremely minor issues as "too many problems". Thanks, Ronan Talk 08:51, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for changing that, I had no idea I'd left "the these" on the page. I now have a few issues myself though, such as the removal of "it is advised". I don't know how you expect me to supply a "source" to explain why it would be easier to take the pot while it's no more than a couple of squares away. Jagex don't tend to supply us with such trivial information, and quest guides would be far less useful if they didn't supply us with advice now and then. I noticed you used "you should" in the extra fine flour section yourself , which is basically the same as using "it is advised", therefore I don't see why it had to be removed from "Obtaining the ingredients". Replacing it with "you can" is relatively similar to our above discrepancy regarding "tells" and "says". A player "can" also travel to Piscatoris to get a pot, but it would be advised to simply take it from the kitchen. I must remain adamant that this is restored. Moving on, though, I must congratulate you on fixing up the extra fine flour section, I would never have thought of replacing "it" with "realigning millstones," but I don't think "kind" is the right word either.
The last minor thing I'd like to change is the "Required" section. It's quite unclear, and could easily come across to the newer players attempting this quest that they must complete Recipe for Disaster before Cook's Assistant, as opposed to vice versa. "Required to Complete" is clearer, and should be restored. Thanks for all your co-operation throughout, and if you think any other aspect of the article needs tweaking, please let me know. Thanks again, Ronan Talk 11:19, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
I realise that I've probably composed the entire contents of your next archive in the space of a few days, so I'd like to get these discrepancies ironed out as soon as possible and be done with them. I'll start, again, with the use of advised.
SalsRealm and Tip.It, while prestigious fansites, are not official sources, and as neither of them make any mention of the pot on the table whatsoever, I would be inclined to believe that the writers of the walkthroughs simply did not realise it was there. I am forced to reiterate what I have stated many times above - It would be simpler, quicker, and less expensive to take the pot while it is right beside your character. New players attempting this quest mightn't even have 3 coins to rub together, and they mightn't know where the general store is either. I cannot understand why this is so hard to understand. Neither of the above websites' guides are law, and just because they have left something out, it doesn't mean that we have to as well. It is advised is the correct phrasing to use in this circumstance.
The use of "you should" in the extra fine flour section is perfectly acceptable, I was merely using it as an example.
To wrap things up, I believe we should stick with the title of "Required to complete", and just add another section underneath it, titled "Other" and add in that it is one of the requirements to purchase a Lumbridge Painting.
I hope that clears everything up! Thanks, Ronan Talk 12:41, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, that sounds good. Nice working with you! Ronan Talk 18:27, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
Champ count verification Edit
Hi, I changed my rs username to Ipso Facto awhile back and made a new user page for that name
I also had not accessed my old page "Ludus Erus" in awhile. I noticed that my champions challenge
count was reset to 1 when I clicked the link.
I now have 12 champions done and would like to know if there is a cc ingame that I can
quick chat my champ count to verify it ;)
Apologies if I made this comment in the wrong format orsomething ;) Ipso Facto 01:22, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
re champ count Edit
sorry I was vauge, by clicking the link I meant the link at bottom where it has member groups I belong to ie: members who have completed a champions challenge.
I had been listed as having completed 9 on that list, as Ludus Erus but when I checked tonight it had
Ludus Erus as having only completed 1. (I have removed that profile now with a note about my namechange)
I found the ingame cc but it was empty. I was asking for a way to verify as I thought it was needed
as anyone can claim they have done any amount since RS does not have an official list.
The only way being to meet a player ingame whilst having a banner carrier out or quick chatting my champ count.
I understand I was mistaken now so no biggie, thanks for your response though :) Ipso Facto 02:54, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for the tip, greatly appreciated.
- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnw28020 (talk) on 3:09, August 20, 2011 (UTC).
Maybe you could do it for me, I am dumb. Sorry. Johnw28020 03:12, August 20, 2011 (UTC)Johnw28020
Thanks!Johnw28020 03:16, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
re: Carnivorous Chinchompa vandalism reversionEdit
Why would disabling Carnivorous chinchompa bots be irrelevant to the page about hunting carnivorous chinchompas? Look through the revision history bro, half the original section was removed by an anonymous vandal, and then the rest was removed because it wasn't useful to simply say that bots existed.
Basically, if a new player wanted to know about hunting them, it would be immensely useful for them to know that they don't have to feel outclassed by a piece of software. I only noticed this section had gone missing when a guy from my CC started complaining that he couldn't hunt carnivorous chinchompas because of the bots.
true enough, identification of bots isn't entirely pertinent to the article. I suppose I originally added that part because it didn't seem to make sense to simply say "if it's crowded with bots, this is how to deal with them". I did consider adding a separate article for dealing with the bots, but figured the problem was so widespread that it was just as relevant as any other information on hunting strategy - if not moreso because the bots preclude the hunting strategy being implemented at all.
Successful RfCM Edit
Congratulations on your successful RfA! You can now do the following:
- Kick ban other users in the chat.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. (PS. Ajrabbitz said he wasn't gonna do this) 
Ciphrius Kane 
00:07, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
Congrats Edit
Your chatmod request passed, have fun, don't do anything dumb, etc. ajr 00:07, August 24, 2011 (UTC)
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hi and bye by Crygypt79 01:27, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
Hello!Edit
Hi! My user page is still a bit messy on some edges (code-wise), it kinda sucks that all the edits that I make to my own pages are counted too. =P 
Weario Talk|Sign 
20:01, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Don't mind me, had to fix my sig. :P —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Weario (talk) on 11:48, September 2, 2011 (UTC).
Chat ban Edit
There is a request for you here. 18:14, September 2, 2011 (UTC)
Smilehs Edit
Your ever-so-waited smilies are in effect in the chat. (: 17:14, September 7, 2011 (UTC)
Re:Substitute your template Edit
What does this do? Hair 19:48, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, Thanks for telling me! Hair 20:02, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
RE:Chat ban Edit
Hey smith sorry about my connection didnt really know i was spamming the quit and join thing. Can u please unban me. A Level 2 Cow...... Please leave a message after the beep.......(beep). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A Level 2 Cow (talk) on 03:30, September 23, 2011 (UTC).
Comment by Soneyvegdude Edit
Your wrong kid, your prices on construction are way fucking off. 3k total loss? dumbass.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonyvegdude (talk) on 04:39, October 27, 2011 (UTC).
ThanksEdit
You make people feel really welcome to this wiki, did ya know that? :) Or at least that's how I felt. Thanks for giving me some resourses to look at.
MrTH4DDEUS 14:54, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
RE:This one tooEdit
Done, thanks. Suppa chuppa T C CVRC 01:52, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
GB Edit
Yiz dont even have a guestbuk do yis 
Bluefire2 (Talk | Edit me) 
change this signature! 10:18, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
"Didn't know you had one of these." Edit
Me either, only realised I did when Bluefire posted on it. MattTalk 08:58, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
- It used to be a central part of my userpage, but then I removed all references to it altogether. MattTalk 09:29, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
RE:Dr. Dank Edit
I didn't notice the difference in times, sorry about that. How about we leave him one more warning that discusses banning & reuploading deleted images and give him one more chance? I think he's just a confused new user. 20:42, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
RE:ScriptEdit
Thanks for pointing that out, I didnt knowtice -.-... Its getting late, i dont seem to be thinking to clearly...*goes to bed*
King TALKWer den König nicht ehrt, ist nicht Lebenswert. 07:22, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Re:Some cakpes Edit
thankz bro *noms cape* JOEYTJE50TALK 09:50, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
SignatureEdit
You have an awesome signature. Raglough 11:47, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
Custodian Edit
I've granted you custodian rights, per your request. You can now move pages without restrictions, move files, and may suppress redirect creation when doing so. Be sure to clear out any red links resulting from these actions. Dtm142 01:13, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
Your advice Edit
Hey man, I just read your PMs on the chat like 5 minutes ago. I appreciate the advice, and yes, I am aware that you can do that, but I'm way more used to typing out the whole thing, and honestly it's not much of a big deal for me. Thanks man. Alec DawkinsTalk Sandbox Contributions 02:35, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
please give me to chat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sheroan (talk) on 10:41, January 5, 2012 (UTC).
Are you editing all monster charm pages to look the same? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.3.88.174 (talk) on 21:16, January 5, 2012 (UTC).
RE:Chat banningEdit
Sorry for neglecting to reply for a while. I have read your message and was going to add some examples, but then I got stumped and left it for a bit. Unfortunately, I ended up forgetting about it until now. I will make some additions to the guidelines when I get back on Thursday. Cheers, 222 talk 12:56, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ulrik Alphyn Chat Ban Edit
Chat ban of Ulrik Alphyn, 1/10/12 -- I had been trying to find a site administrator and tried the chat. To the best of my knowlege I only logged in once, asked the question, and was banned without even getting an answer. It was disconcerting to say the least. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ulrik Alphyn (talk) on 14:46, January 11, 2012 (UTC).
Thank you for the suggestions. And for letting me know how the ban and redemption works. I appreciate it. --UA
you wiped my edit on columbarium keys saying that it was in the rare drop table below except when I got those key halves they ring of wealth notice did not appear in-game which leads me to believe that it is a separate drop.
are you sure that it even can drop from the rare drop table? has anyone reported getting rdt specific drops from it (like a vecna skull or something) because other than that what could we be going off?
http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Columbarium_key
203.45.18.211 04:46, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Hello. Jagex has previously stated (in the Game Guide) that half keys are in the rare drop table (which includes both a tooth half of a key and a loop half of a key). Adding the same drop info twice just creates duplicate entries, and this is not something we want. Smithing (talk | contribs) 05:41, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
RE:Somewhat personal message from RuneScape Wiki editor SmithingEdit
Thanks! It's been really fun editing here, and I know I'm going to miss it. And I'm sure that editors will find information to add to the article over time. There are so many people viewing this wiki, and every once in a while, someone who knows a lot about the topic in question will drop in and make a few edits. It's what keeps this wiki such a strong wealth of information. I do hope that I'll be able to drop by every now and then to see how things are going. Suppa chuppa T C CVRC 01:01, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh, that's not good :/ I just hope people try to use the tools that I've made to keep up with the vandalism. I'm sure there are a few editors who feel up for the challenge, lol. Suppa chuppa T C CVRC 01:11, January 16, 2012 (UTC)