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Contents 1 spirit of the law, or letter of the law? 2 Hey 3 Please dont worry 4 ...What..? 5 User:Azliq7's calculators 6 check contribs 7 Wikilinking 8 Maple longbow cost analysis 9 new welcome box 10 Level 99 skills 11 offensive personal attack on my talk 12 Re:Strength article and vandal report 13 Template:DateDiff 14 Re:Vandalism of user pages 15 Edit intro for Exchange pages 16 RE Yew Grove Topic Poll Vote 17 RE: Wiki-newspaper Redux 18 Sorry 19 Offer 20 Happy New Year!!!!!!!! 21 Animations answer 22 Newspaper - random thought 23 Looking forward to working with you 24 Exchange Categories 25 Your username 26 Scientific notation 27 Happy St. Patrick's Day! 28 Happy Easter from Joe 29 Power abuse 30 Template:Click 31 10M/hr 32 Re: Store Survey 33 RE: RS Shop Item database 34 Poof 35 Dubious username 36 Vandal attack 37 RSWP 38 Video-Making Channels 39 Profitable High Alchemy 40 Oops! 41 Your user name 42 Hey hey... 43 Re:Armour data etc. etc. 44 Randomised "Featured article" and "Featured user" sections 45 Store survey question 46 Re:Fighting trolls 47 RE: Adam Smith clan 48 Antimatter 49 Forum:Inflation Mesurement 50 Adam Smith Clan 51 Resistance to GEMW? 52 Merchanting

[edit] spirit of the law, or letter of the law?

Hey, I notice you have really good insight to things on this wiki, and would value your thoughts on this subject. On the article Trade limit there is a section telling players how to work around the limit, which I feel really goes against the spirit of the rules. There is a discussion on that articles talk page, but it could really use a few more voices. --Degenret01 13:52, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hey, I appreciate you being the only neutral party in this whole thing. I really appreciate how you haven't jumped off the handle at me so to speak like Atlandy and Christine have. Truthfully, I think Atlandy gets pleasure out of posting so called "facts" about me and how I've apparently been banned from other sites and such, and also that Christine is abit stuck-up sometimes. You and Chiafriend12, you both have stayed neutral and I respect and thank you for that.

If Atlandy can't take the fact that I had a change of heart after thinking about what I did and regretting it all, then he's got some problems. Same goes for Christine.

As for Earthere, his comments of my cockiness, and then how my tone changes from post to post is complete grade A bull. I try to sound as professional as possible. It's just who I am. But apparently I'm a cocky fool who's full of myself.

Anywhoo, I've kind of strayed off the path here. I thank you for your neutrality in this70.49.204.107 00:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please dont worry

While I understand your concern, I have never flamed anyone in my year plus at the wiki. I was offering Total some alternatives and other avenues to express himself. I enjoy his banter and candid wit and wanted to make sure that all of the newer wikians saw, after someone disagreeing with him, how bigoted and downright mean he can be. Call it "baiting",if you want, but better to see his true colours before everybody welcomes him back with open arms. Thank yyou for your concerns thoughCheers! Atlandy 14:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I just don't want to see this episode kill the project is all.... and I've seen that kind of reaction from other wikis in the past. --Robert Horning 14:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I am an adult, and editing passes the time for me. Like you, I do not want one person to ruin everything we worked on by using racial slurs and scaring people away. I was here when he was in the past, and his hateful, bigoted, overly sexual remarks made many people mad and others quit. I would hate to lose so many dedicated editors because of one person Cheers! Atlandy 14:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ...What..?

If you look at what Total said, and what I said, I've not done anything he accused me of. I did nothing to "fly off the handle." I was fine this time around. I did nothing wrong. If you wanted me to keep up with what I've done in the past, I'm sure I would've deserved a block for personal attacks. I don't understand the message you left me, as you didn't really say anything in it. What were you trying to tell me, exactly? Christine 15:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, please don't remove discussions from my talk page, no matter how senseless they may sound. I nearly didn't see the message because you reverted it then edited my page, therefore I did not see his contribution, and how would you know if I wanted to answer him or not? I'm sure you know about RuneScape:Don't delete discussions. Christine 15:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It was still my page, and I didn't see anything wrong with the comment that was left there. The other comments were made afterwards, and there wasn't anything offensive in that one. That guy PMed me in-game before the whole Total Rune blowout, and I know he's not associated with him at all. You still haven't explained your message. You said I didn't do anything wrong, so what was the point of even leaving me a message to begin with? Christine 16:51, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I was doing ¬.¬ Christine 17:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Azliq7's calculators

User:Azliq7 Made some calculators, i think they are not "complete" enough to be called a calculator..

Check it out..

Buzz ^{(Talk • # • √ • P )} 06:58, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] check contribs

i hav been on different IP addresses these days after your PB, i think that now you can check my contribs on this ip and then you can say have i changed or not, cheers, 87.194.75.159 19:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC) (known as the Now banned user:btzkillerv)

[edit] Wikilinking

I got this from the Style Guide under the Wikilinking section:

Use efficient link formats, especially for plurals. For example, do

[[lobster]]s

instead of

[[lobster|lobsters]]

.

Just thought you might want to know this.   az ^talk   13:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maple longbow cost analysis

Hi,

Surely this analysis is missing the cost of the bow strings? I see that the analysis for Yew_longbows does include it, though Magic_longbows again does not... --     Zang! ^talk   21:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new welcome box

i'd like your opinion of this new welcome box (it needs editing) from wikipedia, i think that this can be used here on RS wiki

cheers, 87.194.75.159 19:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC) (also known as the now banned user:btzkillerv

[edit] Level 99 skills

Hmm, looking through a few different revisions in the History, I noticed that Zezima's name was among the ones that I changed, but looking at it today, the name was Zonghui. I haven't any references other than looking at some history of the page. upon further investigation, Zonghui and Zezima have both had their names for all CB skill 99, and seems zezima was prominent in 99 atk, str, and hp. If it is incorrect, feel free to revert it, I was just putting it back to what I had seen before. 01:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC) Well thanks for pointing it out, it's back to the correct state now. Seems I've been rather stupid today, on many subjects. 01:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] offensive personal attack on my talk

blankothe3rd has come and done his damage, im typing this through gritted teeth and im goddamn flared up, this idiot has come and attacked me just because of a language difference that i knows and he dosent, man i can't wait to punch that goddamn ***-**-*-*****, and i am sure you can appreciate how enraged i am and not being to give him double the cusses he threw at me Btzkillerv 16:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Strength article and vandal report

Hi Robert, thank you for letting me know, as I admit there was some minor mis-perception on my part. Thank you also for the advice, as it will come to good use in the future. Constructive criticism FTW! =) CFLM ^{Talk # Sign} 06:14, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:DateDiff

I've just created Template:DateDiff to calculate the date/time difference between two different dates. This template could prove to be useful in the future, especially where dates need to be compared.

Some uses I can think of:

• Displaying age (in days).
• Displaying period between 2 dates (days/months/years) - months and years can be calculated with simple Math formulae.
• Displaying number of days since the GE price was updated - I'm going to implement this in Template:ExchangeItem.

I don't know if this template already exists in this wiki, but I've already searched and didn't find anything similar. If it exists, please let me know.

  az ^talk   06:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Vandalism of user pages

I see what you are saying. I tend to do thing cronologically and since I was in a hurry, I didn't check wheather the edits were not vandalism. Thank you for pointing that out. I'll try to check that more often when I edit. Thanks, Spencer ^{(Talk | Edits | Contribs)} 14:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit intro for Exchange pages

I hope I didn't do any damage moving GEMW\Edithelp to Template:ExchangeItemHelp. I would like to add that when users clicked "edit this page" directly on an Exchange page, this "editintro" does not appear. To append the link to the "editintro" this, I've come up with a JavaScript code that could be added to Mediawiki:Common.js. I haven't tested it, but I think it should work. The code is as follows:-

addOnloadHook(function() {
  if (wgCanonicalNamespace == "Exchange" && document.getElementById('ca-edit')) {
    var editLinks = document.getElementById('ca-edit').getElementsByTagName('a')
    if (editLinks.length > 0) {
      editLinks[0].href += '&editintro=Template:GEPriceUpdateGuide'
    }
  }
});

This will add the "editintro" link to the "edit this page" page, eliminating the need of having <!-- Comments -->.   az ^talk   16:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE Yew Grove Topic Poll Vote

Great post and I so agree with you. I gotta be honest ere i read it about 10 times, took that long for it all to sink in. Your so good with words where i have a huge difficulty putting what i want to say in words. I tip my bonnet to you.

Reyna Jane 06:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Wiki-newspaper Redux

You, sir, are very right. The GEMW may have started with people wanting to kill it off immediately, but look where it is now! Prominent and very useful. Chiafriend12 00:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Sorry about that accidental rollback, I was checking the history and accidentally clicked it. Andrew ^talk 22:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I was checking to make sure the price was correct, and ended up clicking rollback on accident. Andrew ^talk 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Offer

Hello Robert,

I have watched the discussions about the classified info policy. From what I have seen of you, I would be interested to know you better. Feel free to visit my userpage. Wejer 14:05, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for reading and commenting my userpage. Happy holidays to you! Wejer 18:45, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!!!!!!!!

00:28, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Animations answer

Omg... Gosh. Do you have any converter from Wmv to Gif? That's so sophisticated. --Boilar 15:50, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Newspaper - random thought

I saw the discussion on the Runescape newspaper - very exciting! I don't know if this would help or not, but Wikia recently launched a collaborative blog tool, that lets many people write their own blog posts in one place (think more magazine than newspaper) but maybe it would help. If you're interested, you can see it here: http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Blog:Recent_posts If the group wants one, we're happy to turn it on. If not, sorry for the bother Gil (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Looking forward to working with you

Hello. I know we've briefly spoken a couple times (here on your talk page and on the Yew Grove) but I was just dropping by to say hi and that I'm looking forward to working with you as a fellow admin. Andrew ^talk 04:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Exchange Categories

Where do these live in the exchangeItem template now? Rich Farmbrough, 22:00 9 January 2009 (GMT).

They are found in two places:

• Template:ExcgDefault - where the "default" display characteristics of the Exchange pages now lives
• Template:ExchangeItem/doc - where you should put category information about the template itself

I'll try to respond on your user page as well. I am presuming that you want to impact what categories are linked to individual exchange pages, such as items that haven't been updated for more than 30 days?

I hope this helps --Robert Horning 01:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. There's a mediawiki bug/unfeature which means you can't page through categories with more than 200 items bearing the same key. I put a tie break in the sort order of the chronological category. BTW I implemented a rune trip calculator based on the one you were load testing the template with. Rich Farmbrough, 07:06 10 January 2009 (GMT).

[edit] Your username

Could you tell me your RuneScape username so I can rank you in R S Wikia?  C Teng ^talk 02:22, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Scientific notation

Hey. I have a question about the GEMW view price thing. I am making a calculator (here) and some of the GE prices keep on going into scientific notation. I don't know what does it since it seems to change from the regular number to scientific notation and back again every few days. I don't know how it is happening so i thought you would be the person most likely to know since you made most of the GEMW.

Thanks ^{User talk} Evil Yanks ^Contribs 07:09, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Happy St. Patrick's Day! From: Soldier 1033

Andrew ^talk

[edit] Happy Easter from Joe

To the editor that is Mister Horning.

What's in it you say? A baby chick!.


Happy Easter from joe^{le talk} .

[edit] Power abuse

You should not be posting to a discussion that has already been protected and no one else can add to. Christine 18:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Click

I was messing around with this template and it appears to be working. Is this how you envisioned this template working? If so, I think it's a great addition to our toolbox here. Please let me know if this is right. Thanks, Tollerach ^talk 11:21, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 10M/hr

I was reading the discussion about the Money Making Metric, and I read that you were able to make 10M in one hour under abnormal circumstances. This has sparked my curiosity and I am wondering if you could tell me. Lewa15151515 07:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Store Survey

I felt that the Yew Grove was the wrong place to raise attention to something. Killr833 does not play RuneScape anymore 11:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

At the top of Forum:Yew Grove:

• To list an on-going discussion, use the RuneScape:Requests for comment directory.

Sheesh. Killr833 does not play RuneScape anymore 13:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Do whatever you want, I'm not interested in this anymore. Killr833 does not play RuneScape anymore 13:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RE: RS Shop Item database

See User:Azliq7/StoreData.

The store data is kinda comma-delimited. If you want it formatted another way, please tell me. It is fairly easy for me to reformat the data output since they are stored in an Excel worksheet.   az ^talk   06:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Poof

In other words, they are going "Poof" and "creating" thousands or even millions of items and putting them into the Grand Exchange with just a couple button clicks.

Well, I do quite a bit of merchanting, so I'm very interested in this. How did you find this out? C.Chiam^{TalkShoutout!} 11:23, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious username

Are usernames such as Mod cole allowed? This account was recently created, and I don't believe names such as this should be allowed unless they can demonstrate proof that they are a Jagex moderator (which I highly doubt is possible in this case, because I've never seen any "Mod Cole" on the forums).  Psycho Robot Talk  21:22, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal attack

I think there's an organized vandal attack starting up. Lots of pages are being blanked and there's a lot of strange unholy foreign squiggles. Its scary. Anyways you might want to check the CVU out.  Psycho Robot Talk  00:19, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RSWP

Hi, Robert. I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or arguing against me about the paper, but I completely agree with your comments. Horsehead ^Talk 13:39, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Video-Making Channels

Hello Robert, could you please move RuneScape:RuneScape Video-Making Channels to be one of your user subpages while you're doing what it is you're trying to do. Per RS:PLAYERS.-- 01:54, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I've been trying to think of where it could be moved to for now...

Mainspace/Talk-No

RuneScape/Talk-No, this tends to be a bit more for policies and officical pages. This seems a bit personal.

User-Yes, though under whose page? Perhaps Jek Nexus, since it is his work.

User talk-No

Exchange/talk-No

Update-No

Forum-Possible, however, I can't think of an acceptable rationale outside of discussing it.

Looking at the options, I feel it would be more appropriate for the time being to place it under Jex's subpages. I'll give him the link on his talkpage.-- 00:27, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Profitable High Alchemy

FYI, I've updated the profitable high alchemy table layout.

The only way I could do it was to use the 'surrogate' template method of the DPL. By using the 'suffix' of "/HighAlchTable" means that the template for formatting the rows becomes Template:ExchangeItem/HighAlchTable. The overall table is in Template:Profitable High Alchemy so it can be included in other places (including user pages).

What I have noticed is that Jagex has not completely removed lower limits, but have dropped them to 400 coins below the high alch value. This makes it easier spotting some "suspicious" high alch values that are close or above the current value by looking at the live GE to see if there is a hard limit 400 coins below the claimed high alch value (where hard limits are identified by market-min < 5%).

I did notice that the Template:ExcgDefault is currently using Template:Natprice, which is 'hard coded' to 269 at the moment. I think this was changed to avoid circular dependancies. Do you know if the bot that updates the GE prices could also update Template:Natprice as a special case, or do we just need to periodically update it manually ourselves?

 Amaurice ^talk 11:14, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not very good at descriptive text, but I've put a few sentences in the documentation for the Template:Profitable High Alchemy that might help.  Amaurice ^talk 15:59, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oops!

I inadvertently ruined the Video-Making page while trying to update it. Undoing the changes didn't work for some reason. I was wondering if you could revert it and then teach me how to properly update it? :) Jek Nexus^{T C E} 17:43, September 27, 2009 (UTC) Someone reverted it for me! I just need to know how to update it without ruining it this time XDJek Nexus^{T C E} 18:14, September 27, 2009 (UTC) Those are very excellent ideas! I wish I could hop on to each one of them and do some brainstorming and put it into action, but I am very busy atm with school and I am also very eager to work on a few video ideas I've been delaying for a long time. I hope the Wiki will not mind if I simply keep it as is for a while, just updating it, and then expand and promote it later. I'm very pleased the Wiki has taken interest, I was quite worried that even with the benefit of increased traffic the Wiki would consider it as something that doesn't quite belong :S Jek Nexus^{T C E} 21:34, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Your user name

Do you mind if I ask what your RS user name is? Do you use King Korihor, or is there another account that you use more often? And are you ever in the wiki clan chat? Leevclarke ^talk 22:01, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

King Korihor has been my "main", but I've been having fun testing out some low-level training techniques for F2P (in part to help out the wiki, in part to just see how much this game has changed with some of the updates). One of the account names I've been on quite a bit with lately has been "Sir Prizalot".

I'll be honest, I'm itching to get back to my King Korihor account, so I may have to go there... and yeah, I'll be on the clan chat more if I do that. King Korihor is high enough level that I have to grind real hard to raise his levels, so he isn't quite so much fun.... other than to smash the heck out of stuff when I'm feeling violent or try out new member-only quests. --Robert Horning 03:56, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hey hey...

... Don't forget about this! It could be a good article, but so far, it's got nothing, so I just want to tell you not to forget about it! --

Baron Scizor

Chat • 'Tribs • Mod Poppy's Party

20:50, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Well then! I finished editing it, and I must say, that was a lot of writing! It was pretty good, and it has been approved. Remember, though, to italicize RuneScape and capitalise the S. Also, please try not to use abbreviations, unless it sounds wrong without them.(Examples: 'IMO', 'GE', 'AFK', or 'RWT') Thanks for contributing though! Also, I think that idea about an economics coloumn sounds pretty good. Good luck with that! --

Baron Scizor

Chat • 'Tribs • Mod Poppy's Party

20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Arch your talk. At 74 sections, its beyond too long.

P.P.S. I apologize for using 'Arch' as a verb. I have shoved a tomato in my face as a suitable punishment. .

[edit] Re:Armour data etc. etc.

I realize that it may not be the most crucial project the Wiki could begin, but I firmly believe that the benefits of greatly reduced work in creating armour set pages would justify it, especially when much of the work can be done by bots. Almost every single equipable item has an infobox. That infobox has a rigid structure that can be easily interpreted by a bot. Quarenon already has a script that interprets the data from infoboxes for use in the compare tool, so starting with that script its just one step to pasting it somewhere. I really see little actual work from wiki editors. While it may not be useful apart from pages like Morrigan's Equipment or Saradomin armour set, it would be a great tool for users who want to build armour sets for personal use. Not only that, but once we have every item's stat in a fixed and formal database, we could make a table that lists every platebody in the game and sorts them by stats or something like that. Equipment is a huge part of the game, and stats make the equipment what it is. Although the applications might not be readily apparent right now, such a database would make any kind of project involving stats really easy.  Psycho Robot Talk  02:24, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Randomised "Featured article" and "Featured user" sections

Sure, if you insist... I was actually planning to start randomising beginning this month, but if the previous featured articles were included, it would be great. Thanks! We might also need to modify the project page for AOTM to reflect the changes in the system.   az ^talk   20:50, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Store survey question

Hi, Robert,

I'm trying to update the table on the Moon Clan Fine Clothes, page but the Moonclan armour isn't available on the GE and so seems to mess up the table. You can see the table here: User:Horsehead/Article, at top. Am I doing something wrong? Does the table need to be tweaked? Should I be using another table? Thanks for your help. Horsehead ^Talk 12:59, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Interesting.... I certainly didn't anticipate this happening, where an NPC shop would sell something that is untradable. Usually such items are a one-time item obtained through special means or via a quest type action.

We have two options available, and I'm not really sure which is better: Creating exchange item pages for these kind of items that lists the trade price as N/A or something similar, or creating a new template structure that applies to shops of this nature. I suppose we could also simply just construct a unique table just for this shop, too.

Hmmm.... let me thing about this one. --Robert Horning 13:10, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

OK. Thank you for your help. Let me know which approach we should take. Horsehead ^Talk 13:33, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I'd prefer to stick with the existing template, as that can be updated to reflect changes across all shops, but we do need some alternative for now. I updated your sandbox page with a suggested alternative table you can use for now. This at least copes with this immediate article, but we should be looking for a more general solution to similar kinds of shops. I'll give that some more thought on how we can approach this issue, and perhaps take the issue up to the larger community. --Robert Horning 14:13, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. It looks great. I'll add the table now.Horsehead ^Talk 14:14, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Fighting trolls

Thanks! You also might want to archive your talk page; it's 95 kilobytes long. --Iiii I I I^Talk 00:44, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Adam Smith clan

If you want me to, I'd love to take a leadership position in the Adam Smith clan. The whole idea of a clan that positively manipulates the Grand Exchange to everyone's benefit seems fantastic, and I wish I'd thought of it. How do you intend to go about being able to buy pizzas, black armour, vials of water, etc? Setting up a thread on the RSOF for trade of this kind? I'll donate as much of my funds as I can (which isn't much, to be honest), and I'll help in any way possible. -- Telos Talk 02:22, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

I'd love to help too, and I'd be willing donate as much of my time and money as necessary. But I'm not the kind of guy who leads, really. I'm more of a doer: I get an idea, and I try to work to make it possible.

Rwojy

07:15, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Horning, I would like to join your clan, I think it is a great idea and I will donate my funds (rather modest currently) and my effort. --Farmer Jack 14:25, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, General Horning. I would like to join this clan. I wanna make a difference, possibly lead, and stay within the rules of Runescape (and NOT manipulate prices)-- Yödapen6 ^{Contributions} 22:33, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Antimatter

I completely "agree" with you there. Oli4burggraa ^Talk 07:58, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Forum:Inflation Mesurement

After reading Forum:Inflation Mesurement, I wanted to ask you something about the RS economy. Forgive my incompetence/ignorance if I'm wrong in the following statements as I only took one paper in basic economics.

Inflation, as far as I know, is a rise of the prices of items/services/etc. in an economy over a duration of time. When the price of an item increases, the purchasing ability of the currency drops and we end up buying less with the same amount of currency. For example, yesterday the price of item A was 4 coins, so with 100 coins, I could buy 25 items. Today, the price increases to 5 coins, so I can only buy 20 items. With the same amount of money I end up buying less items, because the price of item A has increased/inflated.

To measure inflation, generally the price index is used (i.e. our Common Trade Index). For example, comparing last year's CTI (110) and this year's CTI (165, as of 1 November), the "annual" percentage rate inflation "throughout" 2009 is: (165-110)/110 = 50%.

And since the gold coin is a currency and not an item, how do you measure the inflation of the gold coin? (The user states that the gold coin has inflated by 6% since last year.) And since RS only uses gold coins as the trading currency, could we measure the inflation/deflation of the gold coin?

Any thoughts?   az ^talk   08:24, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Adam Smith Clan

User:Adam Smith Clan and it's associated talk page and subpages have been moved to User:Robert Horning/Adam Smith Clan, as the user was a sockpuppet, although you never used it abusively. If you don't think this is right, it has been done before, it's simply a security measurement. I hope you don't mind. — Enigma Get Enigma Points! 14:44, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, can I join your clan? — Enigma Get Enigma Points! 14:46, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

In fairness, there is nothing wrong with having multiple accounts or even being a sock puppet. The problem comes from using the sock puppet and pretending that it may be another user.... as a means to influence opinion. I don't see the security problem either... unless you believe that the account is somehow going to be compromised and somebody is going to make edits to this wiki using that account without my authorization. To me, the security rationale fails.

I'm not going to wheel war on this issue, but there is a strong reason for my putting this onto another user page than my own. I don't want to "own" this clan, and I'd like to have a neutral page that doesn't seem dominated by a single user. I'd love to see clans welcome to set up a page on this wiki without having to go to the clans wiki. Yes, I know that this is going against the grain of how things tend to be done here, and this is my way of pushing back. I also wanted to use the GEMW data in some clan-specific projects, which is why I'd like to be associated with this wiki.

I wish that this action had not occurred, and I will fight to have it changed back.... eventually. It was not done via consensus, nor based upon any policy or approval other than your own whim. At least a simple warning or a request to understand why this was done could have been made first. That this didn't happen, I'm not pleased at all. It was unnecessary. --Robert Horning 15:30, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

No ill feelings at all. (sorry it's such a short reply, my brain is kind of mush from all the mindless running around and shooting people and capturing flags and what-not) — Enigma Get Enigma Points! 23:10, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Resistance to GEMW?

I saw on the clan thread that there was resistance to the GEMW project when you first proposed it... why?? Its a really good idea I think... I simply don't see what problem anyone could have had with it  Psycho Robot Talk  06:12, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

The resistance came from a couple of issues. Mostly, there were several who thought I wouldn't finish a project this huge in order to get it working, or if I didn't keep contributing that it would die and have to be deleted by the admins... making a mess on the wiki. It was a big deal in terms of getting volunteers to help contribute to keeping the prices up to date, but ultimately the player community came though and has been very supportive in the end. Even without bots to automate the price updates, we did a pretty good job of keeping the prices relatively current... give or take about a month between price checks on items not so commonly reviewed.

Another issue that came up was with the issue of storing GEMW data in templates to be used elsewhere. This was such a strange idea that some users, particularly admins, simply didn't even know what to make of it. Some felt that this data should be simply left on individual item pages, and certainly there were many that thought this should be named as "Templates" in the template namespace. Apparently the issue of namespaces has come up again, causing even further issues.

Let's just say that the thought did come through my mind to simply abandon the GEWM and request to delete the whole thing after the first few days of trying to get it going due to the resistance I was receiving. I'm glad I stuck through that initial shock of seeing a project of this nature and remained persistent. --Robert Horning 12:54, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Merchanting

Hey. I decided I'm going to have a crack at the art of merchanting, although I am very confused. Some people have said your quite an expert on the topic. What do you think about merchanting, and what are the basics? I have had a read of the Merchanting guide but find it kind of "incomplete" or "confusing". Also, I believe "Flipping" is the best method, so that it the one I am most interesting. You don't have to write an explanation for me if you don't want to; I know you get very busy sometimes! Cheers, Chicken7 _>talk^>sign 08:00, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your great guide! I am sure it will come in handy when I am merchanting. It must've taken you some time! What items do you recommend to merchant. I only have ~1m right now. Thanks. Also, take a look at Talk:Upcoming updates, and reply if you want. Cheers, Chicken7 _>talk^>sign 11:54, November 20, 2009 (UTC)