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Contents 1 RS:3RR 2 Armadyl Alignment 3 Armadyl 4 RE:Guthix 5 God letters 6 Elder gods & Freneskae Creator-God 7 Please stop with the reverts 8 Silverlight 9 Gods:Seren 10 Alignments will be revealed! (somewhat) 11 Useless lists 12 Re:Crown (Elder Artefact)

RS:3RREdit

Please watch your edits to the Armadyl page, so you don't break the policy linked above. AnselaJonla 16:46, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

What did I do? I just undid and put his alignment is really law. If I added something else by mistake excuse it then. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:51, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing yet, but we're just trying to prevent another edit war. Those things are nasty business and are to be avoided if possible Ciphrius Kane 16:53, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

There's a policy against reverting the same page too many times a day (3 maximum), or simply editing it back to "your" version. And as the other person involved is... notorious for how stubborn he is about these things (there's already an argument going about his involvement in an edit war on another page), I thought it best to inform you of that policy before things went too far. AnselaJonla 16:54, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I was only putting back the alignment I didn't mean no harmKinglink15 (talk) 16:57, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

It's ok. You're not in trouble. We just wanted to make sure that you didn't accidentally break any policies. In fact by suggesting setting up a talk page you showed you were willing to discuss the issue, which is quite frankly a lot more than some people are willing to do lately Ciphrius Kane 17:05, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Armadyl Alignment Edit

There's already a bit about his alignment on the talk page... You were right... my sources was from the God Letters, apparently.. which is not canonical.

Still, the things you reverted has nothing to do with the part about botany bay. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:06, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I thought that is where you got it from. I didn't mean for the confusion.Kinglink15 (talk) 17:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, haha, you got me wondering. Thanks ;) . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:14, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, yes please forgive me, it was a guess lol.Kinglink15 (talk) 21:28, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Armadyl Edit

Don´t you think we should delete both those sections about "Corporealists" and "Incorporealists" - or do we really have references? . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 22:38, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Are they part of teh Gods letter? IF so, then yes, if not, we can keep them, if they were stated in-game and by jagex.Kinglink15 (talk) 22:43, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we've had similar things like that on the Guthix page too, in the religion section (you can see similar remnants still, compare that with the Armadyl part)... that seemed to be totally made up. I'm afraid this isn't even a non-canonical source but just... fan fiction. DAMN... I wish Jagex had that official lore guide done, I would prefer that over the Charm sprites rework update due tomorrow :P . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 22:48, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Armadyl, has no sorude for it, then yes we can remove it, but the guthix one is true, There are Chaos Druids, who follow guthix, in the teachnig of Zamorak also. The Anima Mundi is connected to Guthix completely, somethnig he can be alligned to. the Druids respect nature it is proved by their city, and of course how they follow life, only thnig they believe balance a lot. I can change the religion part a bit to make it sound more real,. Kinglink15 (talk) 22:52, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, "Sorude"? Btw, I'm having deep deep troubles with that... "In the God Letters, Guthix said that Chaos druids believe that by helping Zamorak, they will achieve balance, which has some logic to it, as Saradomin does seem to have a lot more hold over the world." I guess you see why I'm worried by that description... purely based on non-canonic sources. For all we know Chaos Druids are people following Zamorak but using knowledge originally developed by Guthixian druids. Akin to what Sliske convinced Ashuelot Reis to do... . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 23:06, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse my Typo lol, I mean if there is no ingame proof. Now, I see what you mean, that is a bit confusing there, For Armadyl, is it's source both of them, from the Gods letter? And about Guthix. you have a point, no proof is said that. but it is stated on "players" mostly. so do you wish to keep it, or remove teh two? Kinglink15 (talk) 23:13, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

It's fine, confusion solved ;) idk what I want to do... I guess leaving it there is an option, though part of me would also like to strip everything and start anew and only place sources and citations there. But that gives other problems... some of the FAQs where Osborne did say official lore things have gone lost, similar things may well have happened here (and with the Surpreme Justice thingy). Sorry, idk what I want, except a consistent lore book (which only they can edit) :P . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 23:20, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

ok, so what about Armadyl? Is "Corporealists" and "Incorporealists" Gods Letter information? Kinglink15 (talk) 23:23, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

No idea where that came from. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 23:32, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

I think (I don't know for sure, as I can't find other pre-dating sources... as I said: you might have gone lost) it was entirely made up by RS-fans: see here :S . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 23:37, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

They copied it off here, so... I suppose we can remove it.Kinglink15 (talk) 23:48, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

RE:GuthixEdit

Try reloading the editor. Save any changes you were about to make so that you can copy them after it's reloaded. Hopefully that works. Suppa chuppa ^{T C CVRC} 21:27, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

What do you mean by reload? Kinglink15 (talk) 21:28, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

As in refresh the page where you were editing it. Suppa chuppa ^{T C CVRC} 21:29, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I did that a few times, I get stuck and when i go do Visual, it tells me this "=Source mode required=

Rich text editing has been disabled because the page contains complex code. Kinglink15 (talk) 21:30, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, that's because the visual editor has certain limits. If the page gets to be too long or has too much code, then you can't use the visual editor. I would recommend learning how to use the source code format to edit since the visual editor has many known bugs (see RS:RTE). I'm not sure what exactly is causing the visual editor to not function on that page though. Suppa chuppa ^{T C CVRC} 21:32, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

SO I suppose I am stuck there huh?Kinglink15 (talk) 21:34, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it seems like it for now. I'll take a look and see if I can figure out what's causing the issue though. Suppa chuppa ^{T C CVRC} 21:35, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ok thank you. :)Kinglink15 (talk) 21:37, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

Looks like it's the infobox having multiple options that it doesn't like. Not sure how/if it would be possible to get the visual editor to work with it. Suppa chuppa ^{T C CVRC} 21:43, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

I see.Kinglink15 (talk) 23:18, April 23, 2013 (UTC)

God letters Edit

They're a nuisance aren't they :P . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 10:50, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed and some dude is messing up the guthix page a bit Kinglink15 (talk) 13:46, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll help you out ;) But they are right.. not everything is bullcrap. If some parts fo the God letters say, e.g.: Saradomin gender is male, and he's the god of Order... then that's fine. That Zamorak's favourite weapon is a Bloody Battleaxe... is not lore. But that's not on the merit of the God letters themselves, that's on the merit of them agreeing on actual lore. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 19:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

But the Picute is a "form" he took, what I am trying to say, but there is no support to it (besides the Door at WGS) But we never say him take that form him self, and true on some part u say, but it's not canon, as I stated in the talk page, unless it was made ingame for support, so vote at the Talk page to keep the picture or not lol. Kinglink15 (talk) 19:40, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Elder gods & Freneskae Creator-God Edit

Well yesterday Fswe1 told me that Mod (Dave) Osborne had an interview with RuneZone radio, and he answered some lore questions there... apparently also something about Marimbo(?). It seems it was posted on the [RS forum too that he would. The interview is being transcribed, and might be uploaded on their youtube channel too, but I'm not sure. I hope that helps ;) In any case: I'll be waiting :P . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:13, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

It is better if we wait invade any information is told wrongly ppl who rp In rs relies. This site for important information Kinglink15 (talk) 17:34, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

I understand your concern... but there are other things that deserve more care.. like those pesky god letters :P That we can't yet check ourselves in annoying, but I'm willing to let it stay a while - as it's probably correct. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:46, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

I still believe we should wait, because people will just be looking for proof, even if we know it was asked, there is no Video, or thread of their interview, or him answering any question. I think it is better off leaving it away, until proof can be shown.Kinglink15 (talk) 20:31, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Say no more - patience is a virtue - you have convinced me ;) . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 10:45, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

The source for the Freneskae god being an Elder God is still pending, but there are more than three Elder Gods. It is stated in the Lore Q&A, which you claim to have read, here: http://www.webcitation.org/6FEjUgiP8 (CTRL + F and "elder" should get you there immediately). Fswe1 Lore project • Fun gallery
My quests • Cutscenes 15:21, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

I know there is more than one there are in fact 3 elemental but there is no proof freneskae is an elder god yet and shouldn't be out as one until there is proof and source to show he is so let's leave it to that. Until more proof is shown then we can state it and the Lin only shows the first page, the thread was removed. Kinglink15 (talk) 15:35, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

I too see nothing mentioned about one of the Elder gods being the Mahjarrat's horror deity, but let's take this to the God talk page I linked you ;) . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 20:12, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Seems there is proof now, you saw teh Video? Kinglink15 (talk) 17:58, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

of course :3 too bad it was only 50 mins, too bad the interview just read other people's questions and didn't ask further... propably an amateur without much training :-/ anyway, nice. I assume u did too? :P . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 18:09, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but barely heard anything, I heard, HE did confirm about teh creater god being an elder right? I kind of heard that.Kinglink15 (talk) 18:12, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, he confirmed it :3 . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 18:31, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

removed waht i asked, due for it being teh wrong locatino to ask XDKinglink15 (talk) 16:49, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Please stop with the revertsEdit

Hello, it seems you have been reverting all the statements claiming that the Freneskae Creator-God is an Elder God. According to Mod Osborne, a jagex mod responsible for the Runescape Lore, there is an elder god, apart from Jas, known by us, and he has no relations with Gielinor. The only possibilities are Tuska and the Freneskae Creator-God. Since Tuska is a mortal that achieved godhood, going by evidence with Guthix's memories, and is a goddess; it can't be her, so the only remaining possibility is the Freneskae God. As much as you don't like this fact, it doesn't give you the right to add your beliefs to the Runescape Wiki. If you continue with your disruptive editing, you may be blocked from editing. If you want to share your beliefs to the world, feel free to create Kinglink15's beliefs Wiki however. Thank you for your time and contributions. Hallowland^talk 18:23, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't accuse what u don't know. I only revert because there is yet no proof of this what so ever, until proof is provided people rely on this site a lot, and I wish to keep it as clean with proof as we can, so please do not accuse of I want my beliefs as that is not true I only wish for facts to be shown if no fact can be shown yet its best to wait for those facts or we call source. So please don't accuse something like that. Kinglink15 (talk) 18:32, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

I believe you aren't understanding that a Jagex Mod statement IS proof, if you are ignoring a statement from a jagex mod, you are obviously adding what you want to the article. But anyway, again I warn you that you may be blocked from editing by reverting edits excessively and removing clean content from pages. Hallowland^talk 18:36, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

A statement yet to be proved I understand its from him but there is no proof of him saying so yet. Again u accuse what I want is for things to show source. There is no proof of his statement yet so I believe it's best to wait for that state to be shown. So I ask u again and nicely to please stop accusing what you don't know.Kinglink15 (talk) 18:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Osbourne said that at the Lore Questions thread he had made several days ago. The thread was removed because it was old, just like all forums thread do at some point. When a link cannot be made, we tend to say "According to". The quick find code for that thread used to be 86,87,586,64925708 and there are several witnesses. Hallowland^talk 18:52, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

There's our problem, IF youcan take a look at my Talk page above, it was stated he stated it on an interview with Runezone, who still hasn't updated their Interview (Which I am dying to see) IT was stated by a few ppl it is in Runezone, But the thing is there is no proof to back it up, which i hope there is soon, so we can put him as one. now your saying it was in a thread, makes me think, it's ppl trying to state a lie. So understand, I am not doing it on my beliefe, I am doing it for the site, because people can lie, state something, and at times, get away with it. So I believe it is better off to wait until the source is up to be proved.Kinglink15 (talk) 18:59, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

Silverlight Edit

I think it's an item from a totally Saradominist family, but not necessarily a Saradomin item. This was the only quest rework I hated... :-/ . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:27, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, but even if hte quest was reworked, only question remains, did he bless it, and does it belong to him? Kinglink15 (talk) 17:32, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

I believe it was blessed or enchanted in someway, but truly, idk... do the quest if you want to :P Don't do the quest if you don't want to get disappointed. Don't get me wring, the graphics are nice, and the fight is a lot better... but the whole point of the dark wizards at the broken druid circle is so unexplained, and the quest story is so dumbed-down/simple. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:37, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

I did teh quest, ik, and the the world wake comes out and the Druid Altar still there while quest was remade, I found that stupid, but yeah, It is unknown now. Kinglink15 (talk) 17:39, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, in that respect they did fix it a bit... the altar had a use and the wizards where likely there under Zemouregal's employment, but still.. seems messy :( . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 18:03, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Idk how that fixed it, but it was messy.Kinglink15 (talk) 18:18, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

It's an explanation for why they are there, that fixed the lack of explanation, and updated the use of the dolmen. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 18:30, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

WE should pay attentino then to teh RS next Q&A, so we can ask them.

Kinglink15 (talk) 19:20, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Haha yeah, we should :( But I'm more interested into what happens when things die in RS... there's this Valhalla idea in Blood Runs Deep and a Mahjarrat that died in the Ritual will go into the Void, and some void knights did too..? So.. yeah that's interesting :) . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 19:41, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed.Kinglink15 (talk) 19:48, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Gods:Seren Edit

From the Guthixian Memories teal italics = my addition

Memory 10

...found I could move between worlds - opening portals with cuts of the sword. I lost count of the number I visited. Some were dead, and others rotten with war, but others were filled with life. There a world that had no distinction between the natural and the artificial, and all things were tended by squat, diligent craftsmen allegedly: Dwarven homeworld. There was a world of serene crystal, where immortal artists and philosophers contemplated thoughts that I could barely comprehend allegedly: Seren's homeworld. There was a moon allegedly: Zanaris, Gielinor's moon - close to a lush-looking planet - whose tiny winged inhabitants opened portals to explore the wonders of the multiverse Fairy rings...

Memory 11

...my search ended since Gielinor was the perfect place. This...this was what I had been looking for, yet until I set foot here I had not known it. So much beauty...a world completely unspoiled. Of all the worlds I had travelled to, this one felt a masterwork of creation. All others had been mere steps towards what lay before me. I was finally at peace. I searched this world as if a giddy child – every discovery a revelation. Many of the elders' artefacts were here - a staff, a horn, a stone - but I knew their power and kept them hidden. This world was not solely for me. This was a world to be shared with races most deserving...

I hope this clears some of it up? (lol, looks like I'm citing the bible or something like that :P CHAPTER AND VERSE!) . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 05:46, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I thought it was Serene Crystal world from last I checked, and we shouldn't really judge that it is her homeworld just yet. but eh,it can be concluded i guess. time to repond your workd down there.Kinglink15 (talk) 15:23, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Alignments will be revealed! (somewhat) Edit

Check here:God Emissaries

Each emissary will be speaking in favour of a god, and will give you a full account what their god represents, what the god in question has been up to since the establishment of the edicts, and what you can do to show your support.

3 yays! . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 06:04, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, but then it adds new aligment, we just add, and it more like full story of what they represent in their Aligment, (we know of Saradomin what not from the memories) but more of the gods will be coming :D, I am still sticking with Guthix Goal though.Kinglink15 (talk) 15:25, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, it will be a more complete picture, I think. And that might give us a better idea of what the gods' alignments are (because that's not completely undisputed, e.g.: Saradomin = Order)Lore Live Stream with Mods Mark and Osborne. Ahhhh you side with Guthix, the Godless faction? ;)

So:

	This user is atheist in RuneScape.

. _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 15:37, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with his view, this world is better off with out the young gods(besides Seren) interfearing with the world and their aligment would grow then lol.Kinglink15 (talk) 15:40, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, btw... before we start adding all those new alignments... we should remember the stuff we had with Juna and her change in dialogue. After The Chosen Commander but before The World Wakes she had a totally different opinion (like a true mindless zealot:P) than after both quests. The solution was that he did not had the same idea as Guthix did... the same could be true for the God emmissionaries (sp?) and the gods... it could give the same problem. Do you follow my reasoning? It might be a good idea to start a discussion on this before the update (on the gods page, like we did with the Freneskae Creator-God). . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 15:50, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thing is, that was Juna, and she was away from Guthix for so longh, of course she'd forget who he really was, and his view, true, some gods might have behind the story, like the reason why Saradomin does Cruel/ dark things, to accomplish good, and why Zamorak really wanted the gods power. And as jages stated, they will be the one that will tell you of the gods full story, and what they did when the Edict of Guthix came out. So meaning, we will know history after the age of the "Great War" so, we can add "According to the God Emmissionaries, This god was _______" Get what I mean? Kinglink15 (talk) 15:55, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Juna was very close to Guthix, she met and talked with him even... the "God Emissaries" most likely did not even meet their respective gods: as they are most likely mortal and native to this world, while the gods were only recently able to come back, thus far only Saradomin had the chance. Then you must 'trust' them to speak the truth, which is not entirely without worry. SO it's not just a Juna thing, it can be seen more wide. That said, I think they might want to use this update to bring their idea across. It's a mixed bag :P . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 21:04, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

" Even though much of his power was taken by Zamorak, Mod Osborne said that he is still so strong, that it would take at least a God wielding a Godsword to kill him." This true? He stated that in the interview? OR anywhere?Kinglink15 (talk) 00:03, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

I suppose that's a yes?Kinglink15 (talk) 15:51, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't follow -- btw, heard the last lore...podcast, check the RS homepage? ;) . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 16:23, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

I checked, but what  Iam asking, some dude edited teh gods page and added this to Zaros " Even though much of his power was taken by Zamorak, Mod Osborne said that he is still so strong, that it would take at least a God wielding a Godsword to kill him." asking you if it is true. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:36, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

mod mark said that a zaros god sword would not make sense unless it was literally "a god wielding a sword" and that zaros would wield that. the context that you sketched is not accurate.... look in the history of the page, there's a link to an image (a screen shot of mod mark saying that in his fc. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 16:53, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Ik what Mod Mark refured to, if they give a ZAros a god sword, it be like weilding a god, or a god weilding a god, wit ha godsword, that's why I asked, if what the person put was true. Kinglink15 (talk) 16:56, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

that's not exactly what he said. . _Yours, . AddictEnkidu ^Talk . 17:15, May 3, 2013 (UTC)

Useless lists Edit

'ello. Because it's ridiculous to have a list of "affiliated items" on a god's page. Most surprisingly, the crown and Stone of Jas weren't even on there. Anyway, why would you have a long and boring list of items that mainly consists of "Saradomin platebody, Saradomin helm, Saradomin godsword, book of Saradomin...." Saradomin platebody aligned to Saradomin? You don't say. Either way, nobody is going to read that over-redundant list... Oh, did you notice how full your talk is about gods lore? :P Fswe1 Lore project • Fun gallery
My quests • Cutscenes 19:09, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

ty for talknig to me here, You have a point then, so your saying to remove all items that are affiliated to teh gods, I suppose we can do that then, and yes, I noticed because it was before the Runezone radio. Kinglink15 (talk) 19:27, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Crown (Elder Artefact)Edit

Speak to Fiara. Hallowland^talk 20:11, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

She doesn't share knowledge about the Stone of Jas, she doesn't want it to be discovered. The reference to Saradominists is the reference to this occurrance during the God Wars. The Saradominists temporarily took over the site but the Guthixian forces reclaimed it. Fiara is a Third-Age guardian. Hallowland^talk 20:31, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

I already said that she refuses to mention the Stone, she will never mention the Stone to you. And the vision of Ritual of the Mahjarrat *IS* during the end of the Third age. And the God Wars ended at the Fourth Age. Hallowland^talk 20:38, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

We're discussing it in Special:Chat if you want to join in Ciphrius Kane 20:56, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Don't quit over this please. We all have our troubles, and Hallow in particular can be stubborn, but don't leave over that Ciphrius Kane 21:29, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

I made up my mind, She been rude to me ever since, and I only try to make things fair, with provided proof, I am done, I tried my ass off to make this wiki the best there is, so Jagex can give it's approve one day. But I am if we are going to put our beliefe, so be it, this wiki will die because of her, i will not be around to see it.66.229.206.111 22:06, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

How about this? Take a break and come back in a week or so. And as for Hallow: ignore her. She is not worth quitting over Ciphrius Kane 22:11, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I made up mu mind, I am glad to see you wish to keep me here, but if I stay, that would me I have to do an edit war againts her, she adds her belief, and accuses me, I am sorry but, until she is put in her place, like a child is put in theirs, I am not coming back. I hope you, and other people pay attention to the Gods pages, because there are idiots messing up the facts.66.229.206.111 22:16, May 6, 2013 (UTC)