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Harold Death Esquire
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I really wouldn't make them subtemplates. The only relation they have to the Family tree template is that they use it. Subtemplates should usually be utilized by the parent template itself (Like how this particular template happens to have a /Element sub; also, every /doc). I'm really not going to stop you (or discuss this any further (it's not really a big deal)), but I'd prefer if we set a precedent of naming them as "Template:<Name> family".

Do you have any idea of when you might do this. I've been feeling kinda bored lately, so I might do this in the coming weeks. I also have a request: When/if you make any lineage templates, redirect their documentation to Template:Family tree/doc. I think I'd rather have explanation of that template appear on their page instead of some stupid filler "This template displays this lineage."

Also, 1m, yes or no? You were a superb door partner. MolManFsw1 13:56, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


Yep -- Spined helm SpineTalkXp book 15:20, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


Well, you don't really miss anything by not reading the books, it's just background lore that's barely referenced in the quest, they're just as enjoyable (if not more so) if read afterwards. As for the puzzle solution, seeing as it's a quest guide, I don't think we have to be worried about spoiling the solution, if people didn't want spoilers, they wouldn't be reading a quest guide. Wahisietel rejuvenated chathead Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon 21:09, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

I only put the chatheads in sections with few images, and again, if they wanted just a hint, they probably shouldn't be looking at a quest guide. I removed the line breaks because they're cluttery. Regarding images: you can zoom in, move the dialogue box closer to what's happening, and crop out irrelevant stuff. I actually have the same screen size as you, I believe. Wahisietel rejuvenated chathead Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon 21:21, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Some new lore pagesEdit

They probably need more work. They're all based on Palkeera's memory.

I just redirected Byzroth to lesser demon, and left a short blurb on that page. I also put similar ones on black demon and lesser demon, and a short paragraph on K'ril Tsutsaroth as well.

Man, these memories are a lot of work to fit into existing lore. I ain't even touching pages like Freneskae. Divination-icon AnselaJonla Daily Challenge map icon 21:06, March 18, 2014 (UTC)


Look what I did to it. MolManFsw1 18:21, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

"Known Mahjarrat" sectionEdit

I'm not so sure each of the newly introduced Mahjarrat need a segment under the Known Mahjarrat list. It makes the page look and feel incredibly cluttered, as the only ones that were in the prior list, bar Khazard and Zamorak, have a Mahjarrat Memory entry. The others are simply names with bits of personality included, which gives too few information. I'd want to move that back down to the small section I created initially, just for visual's sake. Thoughts? Amascut symbol Amascut Ia Morte 00:55, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

The only reason I kept them around is their Mahjarrat Memories entries, haha. I'll make a few changes though! Amascut symbol Amascut Ia Morte 17:35, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

edits on SerenEdit

1. I haven't violated any rule.

2. you are wrong. Zaros did say that her and Seren are twins. Ive spoken with char pre fotg quest and she never mentioned spying on Seren.

I'm not undoing my edits. since the bulk of your edits on Seren are removing large parts of the page and supplying false info, I suggest that you stop editing Seren until you get your facts correct.  Seren symbolHeavyoak Talk Zaros symbol 09:53, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

that rule that you keep quoting only applies to 3 reverts in a row, not 2. and I have read the book of char. also, made = born. even zaros says that. -- Seren symbolHeavyoak Talk Zaros symbol 10:03, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
he said that he wants to send a party, it does not say that he sent char. have you collected all the memory crystals? while I cant find proof right now, he does say it. -- Seren symbolHeavyoak Talk Zaros symbol 10:10, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
ive done firemakers curse. it seems you haven't. and go ahead, revert my reverts or your reverts because that page just needs more wrong info. i'll just do a clean edit with the correct info. -- Seren symbolHeavyoak Talk Zaros symbol 10:15, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
try providing proof that its true. -- Seren symbolHeavyoak Talk Zaros symbol 10:22, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I see him sending Char and co as more "checking his sister is okay because he was worried about her" rather than spying. It could also be part of his claiming the World Gate from her. At any rate, the word "spying" is never used, just scouting. So yes, the "spying" section could be phrased better. Wahisietel rejuvenated chathead Wahisietel (Talk) Quest map icon 10:37, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

New pagesEdit

PLEASE please please please make sure to properly reference any new lore-related articles you make. Otherwise it's one-line articles that nobody can learn anything more about. ʞooɔ 10:32, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

sailing jingleEdit

where ingame does that play? :o --Jlun2 (talk) 14:04, April 1, 2014 (UTC)


Don't say "Nigger" MolManFsw1 16:43, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

It's a pejorative regardless of its etymology. If you think otherwise, you're a bigot. MolManFsw1 16:51, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
In the football leagues, footballers have got in trouble for calling another player black in their native tongue (Spanish, usually). Divination-icon AnselaJonla Daily Challenge map icon 16:53, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
It's usage that matters, not origins. If you really believe that to be true, go around calling black people exclusively "nigger" for the next week. MolManFsw1 17:00, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Fswe, here in the Netherlands, the word 'neger' has a lot less bad meaning attached to it than it does in english-speaking countries, especially the USA. People have been fired over the use of the word 'nigger', and it is almost always used in a negative way (except for when black people themselves use it, according to US-made TV). So, just like in the 'gay means happy' discussion, and I'm not going to argue with you over this again, but the meaning changed. In this case, from simply being a word that means the exact same as 'black', to a very derogatory term for black people. If you're going to apply the logic of 'the origins' of a word, then you're also going to be able to use the same word for ass, tit, cock, and probably a lot of other words. That's the thing with bad words: they usually find origin as a second meaning for an existing word, and they gradually become more common than the original meaning.
So, please just never use it anywhere ever again. Both so you don't insult others, and so you don't get hated by people for using a word that has so much negativity attached to it.
PS: Wiktionary, which is a wikimedia project (wikimedia is famous for its neutrality) even agrees with what I'd assume is 99% of the English-speakers, in saying that 'nigger' is an ethnic slur. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)


Oops, I didn't scroll down far enough. I didn't see that he'd moved it; I thought he got rid of it entirely. But I never reverted it, what are you talking about? Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 09:57, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Frown Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 10:02, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox deityEdit

Just as I expressed in the sentence summarising my alteration to the article, tending towards the terminology that is technically correct is not always necessary, due to the potential inability of the peruser to fully comprehend its denotation. Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 06:19, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

That's irrelevant because there is a monster in RS with the name Icyene, and another one with the name Vampyre. 'Autonym', on the contrary, is not mentioned anywhere in the game. Not only does it make your argument invalid, but also remember that people who play RS are more likely to know what Icyenes and Vampyres are in the first place because they are things from the game. And please explain how "presenting accurate information" with no regard to whether people understand it in the first place or not is somehow our aim here. We might as well say that if people are too lazy to check a monster's drops, that's their problem - not ours. Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 10:45, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
You misunderstood. I'm saying that your logic is like deleting drop tables because if users don't check the drops themselves (by killing monsters in the game), that's, well, their fault. And do explain how the term is "wrong". Anyway, I'm not against "autonym" by definition; putting Autonym (adjective) would be fine. Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 14:33, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, sure, they can look up the word. They can also look up drop tables on RuneHq. However, after reading "some people", I realised that the only way to settle this would be some real data. I went to the GE and asked 10 people, at random, whether they knew what an 'autonym' was. Good news, 3/10 did.
We are a website whose point is to document RuneScape. What use is documenting if people can't understand it (9/10 knew 'decapitate')? Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 14:49, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Now, now. Never did I say that we should present inferior information, but rather that we should provide a simpler word that, for the context needed here, encompasses fully the meaning of the more complicated one. If you can replace a complicated word with a simpler one, why wouldn't you? Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 15:38, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
I believe I have asked you several times to explain exactly how it is "less accurate". Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 17:01, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
OK. Now, since you're so insistent on the user's common sense being able to work out what 'autonym' means, surely you agree that they can also work out what Adjective | Zamorakian means? Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 17:23, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Yet more silly analogies. Reason 1 is that, while 'Zamorakian' is the adjective for Zamorak, the same cannot be said for alignment as a noun and ascension as a verb phrase. Reason 2 is that, trust me, 'alignment' and 'ascension' are far more well-known than 'autonym'.
Look, as much as I love arguing (I actually do), I'm getting bored of this and I can see that it's going nowhere, with the only result being both of us becoming more and more worked up about what is, really, quite a mundane issue. I'll leave it for you to decide. I believe that I've presented you with enough points and arguments for you to make an educated choice, and I will respect it regardless of what it turns out to be. Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 17:51, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
I disagree, and there's a whole textwall telling you why. But the choice is yours. Bluefire2Talk edit my sig 18:14, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
Why is it his choice? Ancient talisman Oil4 Talk 18:14, April 8, 2014 (UTC)
I don't care either way tbh. Autonym is more descriptive but our goal is to inform people, not confuse them. Both have their merits. Ancient talisman Oil4 Talk 18:34, April 8, 2014 (UTC)


I also checked, as did Coel. Look at his hands. Divination-icon AnselaJonla Daily Challenge map icon 15:23, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

I don't care for the stance so much (since it hasn't really been altered) as much as the new face and hands. It's easy to see the current graphics and know that an image is from before 2013. And it was "uploaded just to annoy me"? Do you own the file or something? If you dislike it, why not try to take a better version of the image? Honour Coelacanth0794 Talk Square sandwich 17:31, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Why do the changes to the hands and face not qualify as a reason to update the image? Honour Coelacanth0794 Talk Square sandwich 17:37, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: PollcastEdit

Is there a Podcast wiki article I'm missing besides Above the Lore and Pollcast? From what I gather, all of the latest Podcasts have been added to the Pollcast page, even if they haven't exactly been advertised as such (description of the Podbean entry, ...). Also, your removal comment was that it wasn't a "podcast", not "pollcast".
Though frankly, perhaps it's a better idea to make a general Podcast page, with either subsections, or the "type of podcast" (pollcast, above the lore, other) as an additional table column. IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 18:50, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Easter basketEdit

Here you go. -- Spined helm SpineTalkXp book 15:02, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Decorative sword GUEdit

Put them somewhere or they shall be terminated. Signature5.pngSignature5Last.png 18:01, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

RE: BoL graphEdit

  1. Disagree with colour choices. Earlier, the colours used were according to the in-game HUD.
  2. The line graph is okay, but why are we using a trend line (not joining any of the data points) instead of a normal line (joining the data points)? We are using accurate data, not interpolated data. It is hard to see the "jumps" in the score during certain phases.
  3. Why do we need zero in the time axis? There isn't a Day Zero during an event. Day 1 to 73 would be better, with Day 8, 15... being the beginning of different phases.

  az talk   04:30, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

  1. Okay. Tell Jagex that...
  2. Discrete or continuous? And how do we determine whether its straight or curved? Linear, exponential, polynomial, etc?
  3. Phase 1 was day 1 to 7. Phase 2 was Day 8 to 15. Where should the axis line cross? Day 7 or Day 8? Should we amend our articles and data table as well, because its stated Phase 2 started at Day 8?
  4. Okay.
  az talk   07:37, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
p.s. Our exchange graphs (GEMW graphs) connect the points as well. Not very accurate since prices change all the time... I just took those graphs (or any stock market chart) as a basis for connecting the points. In fact, an earlier version of the image had Dates as the horizontal axis, similar to how stock market charts are displayed.   az talk   07:55, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

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