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[edit] RE: Witch & Warlock set

The 'See also' links are not necessary, because the text already contains those links.-- Hapi007 ^{Talk! Sign!}. 11:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:AJAX

Sure you can help. I'll make you an admin so you will be able to edit the MediaWiki pages. Thanks, Spencer ^Talk^|^Guestbook^|^Edits 14:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Achieve box

Hi! I was looking at your Achieve box when I saw you had unlocked all emotes. Then why don't you have a skill in level 99?-- Hapi007 ^{Talk! Sign!}. 15:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] logo transparency

I'll do what i can here, as you can tell the letters are derived directly from the logo (current and former and identical lettering as i only did a makeover on the runes and shadowing). Give me a bit to play with it. Note however that it might not give the exact desired effect without a white border so i'll likely leave a white outline (right about now i'm wishing i had redone the lettering, then at least i could have a good material to work the favicon over with). ~kytti khat – 23:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The transparency is a major headache with so few pixels to work with, I'm going to have to attempt to recreate the font since i cannot find it, I emailed Vimescarrot who is the one listed as the original uploader of the version with this specific lettering. It might be easier to find a person that can "name that font" in 11 characters or less (the e and i are duplicated so that's all we have to work with to guess it:} ~kytti khat – 00:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Vimes states ey is not the creator of the artwork (wikia's history of that image file must be botched due to the server move). However, I'm going to highly recommend going with the solid background (like Wikipedia's favicon is designed), you can't really see it clearly on the first example:

Image:Searchable favicons.png

but you can see it clearly on this dark version (I've overlaid the icon as it is in it's current rendition):

Image:Searchable favicons2.png

The closest examples on that version are the Creative Commons and Amazon logos and they are less than smooth due to the small size of the favicon, I'm going to have to recommend following the Wikipedia style considering how the sample lot looks. ~kytti khat – 01:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Looking at your example screen shot regarding the tutorial, i see what was left behind in the favicon.ico that an IP edit was complaining about (the four corners). I'm attaching a clean one in .ico format that corrects the four corners issue. BTW what browser are you using? ~kytti khat – 17:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The favicon has become transparent which becomes rather unsightly on various colour themes, examples:

Considering how long and drawn out the favicon process has been, I'm rather ready to divorce myself from it, even the creator of the logo denied being the one to make it (via email), yet I got confirmation from another that he was. Bleh. ~kytti khat – 15:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I was reading through Kytii's talk page and saw that it needed transparency. I noticed that it hasn't yet so I added it. Tell me if something wrong with it because the 2nd version seemed fine and was transparent, and yet it was replaced with the 1st version. I don't think I made a mistake but since it is an important image I just want to make sure. ≈ Dbzken _{(Talk)(Contribs)}_(Edits) ≈ 11:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of tutorial image

There is still an issue because while editing is the best time to have the image in sight. Not when viewing the Exchange price. Additionally it never showed up twice on screen, ergo there was no redundancy. ~kytti khat – 14:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It does not show up twice, what is wrong with your perception? I am not debating that the intro text can be put there, again where do you get the idea that i'm implying that the intro text cannot be avoided? Whether or not the intro text can be circumvented is not the issue. The issue put forth by you is that it showed up two times on the same screen, and that is absolutely false. Hell it doesn't even show up a single time in the link you threw at me, here. At that rate there is no point in having the text of the intro article colour coordinated with the animated image which you seem to have some sort of love/hate relationship with. ~kytti khat – 15:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

And where did you perceive that i misunderstood your specification of time frame? Explain to me the logic in your reasoning:

How-to-edit image should show up when a user is merely viewing.
How-to-edit image should not be available when actually editing.

Please do let me know how this is logicial? ~kytti khat – 15:41, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It does not appear while editing. ~kytti khat – 16:31, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

There is one case where it would show up, but it requires:

The user be logged in.
The user has changed their editing preferences to "Show preview on first edit" which is not the default setting.

Therefore the majority of editors will likely not see it, my guess is you have it turned on, thus why you saw it twice. My recommendation, is to pull it from the template and put it in the edit intro, as i think more will likely see that as more people are likely going through the "edit" links when viewing either the GEMW or the article regarding the item they are doing the price update for. Unfortunately their is simply no way to guarantee it will be show. BTW there is no javascript involved with the edit intro showing up, it's simply a matter of what link is taken there as to whether or not it gets there or not. In the majority of cases most editors will likely see the editintro text. Additionally the majority of editors will likely not see the preview on first edit. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable of the inner wiki workings could find a way to ensure that the editintro is always displayed when editing the Exhange: namespace, at which point the image could without doubt be shown when editing. ~kytti khat – 16:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Two examples logged in with default prefs and not logged in:
Image:Editing_example_1.png|not logged in
Image:Editing_example_2.png|logged in default prefs
~kytti khat – 16:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

This is true in both cases I directly cut and paste the edit without the intro, if i were to have navigated there the normal ways you would see the following examples:

Image:Editing_example_3.png|not logged in
Image:Editing_example_4.png|logged in default prefs
~kytti khat – 17:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully examples 3 and 4 more clearly illustrate what the majority will see. As such I'm going to reiterate that moving the image to the editintro will actually cause it to be seen by more users than by leaving it in the exchange template. As it is now most people will see it when viewing an EchangeItem but will not see it when editing. ~kytti khat – 17:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to delete them. There has to be a way in the code to require the editintro to show. but it won't be in the Javascript side of things since that code only executes on the client side of the browser. Is there any PHP code that can be twiddled? My understanding is that is where the majority of the wiki handling happens, as such we would only need to put in a check to see if an edit page was requested in the Exchange: namespace and then tack that on front. ~kytti khat – 17:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

So the solution is? ~kytti khat – 19:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barbarians

Hey, thanks for the help. You did a great job reorganizing! --Orbie 04:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Favicon

Did you discuss with other users about the new favicon.ico? Because I personally think the old one was better. immibis 06:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] removing duplication and ensuring data delivery

Now, the big question is who is the most experienced at the low level wiki stuff. It occurred to me that what needs to be done might actually be possible in javascript, however that means the user has to have javascript enabled (granted most do). The only 100% sure fire way to make sure it's shown once and only once is on the server side of things though. What resources would you suggest I start looking into? ~kytti khat – 13:54, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Javascript

I guess it's pretty apparent i'm more comfortable in PHP, likely because it's syntax is very similar to what i spent most of my career coding in. Now I'll just have to take a peek to see what was done. BTW It occurred to me that some of the custom editing buttons are hooked into that Javascript code. I was thinking that if that is the case, then would it be possible to check for whether that image even has a single instance and if not do a page refresh (or redirect or whatever it's called) to the same edit link with the editintro text in place, that would actually ensure that anyone with javascript active would actually get the tutorial, no? of course it would have to be done on page load. ~kytti khat – 12:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ^_^

Hehe :P -- Mercifull ^(Talk) 16:01, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

You added the description "You might be a king or a little street sweeper, but sooner or later you dance with the reaper..." to the wiki front page in the news article. I thought you wrote it at first but it was actually copied from the RS website. I guess their web team are fans of Bill & Ted. --

Mercifull

^(Talk) 16:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay. az ^talk 16:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Moving pages

I'm aware of checking 'what links here', and have been negligent in this as of late. which instance of my negligence brought this to your attention? ~kytti khat – 15:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

july 20th, got it ~kytti khat – 16:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] cat

i noticed that 2 hours ago. anything else i'm doing less than perfect at the moment? ~kytti khat – 02:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

my bad i meant 1.5 hours ago, and if you need to go ahead and fire me for not fixing it instantly. Besides does it really hurt to have something double noted when it's behind the scenes? Does it affect the wiki software? does it cause mass epidemics? or is it just a quirk of yours, a pet peeve, or just something you want to pester others about? maybe it's a case of "not invented here"? ~kytti khat – 02:41, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Not everything does, but there's something about the way you say it. maybe we'll figure that out over time ~kytti khat – 02:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

um, i'm rather new myself, but i'll point out tips. I know a friend of mine some time ago suggested some sort of book she had read about different personality types and interacting/communicating effectively with the different types, it wasn't a psychology book per se however. That sort of thing would be excellent for dealing with the many different personality types, I couldn't tell you what i am, but i do get touchy sometimes, I think there's a quote on Christine's user page that seems rather apt at times. ~kytti khat – 03:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Infobox

I'm terribly sorry. earth_(t) 03:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Classy fix.

earth_(t) 20:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Infoboxes for armour sets

You're right, in those cases i was duplicating a bad style with the intent of getting the information there first. I have an evil plan how to rectify the problems you've listed. ~kytti khat – 12:18, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It turns out that the Template:PVP items template was adding the Items Category as well, also fixed now. ~kytti khat – 13:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Finally I get back to you!

Do you know anyone else who has this "Items I need" section? Because I was thinking we could create a "bazaar/market" of some kind, where people can post "Items needed" and "Items for sale". az talk 19:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for the late reply, but no, I do not know anyone else who does. Where exactly were you thinking of putting it? In the forums? I'm just wondering. Stinkowing _{(WHAT'S IN IT?)}

[edit] Pest?

Not hardly a pest! I've never thought that at all. To be honest, I envy you and the amount of edits and time you put into the encyclopedia. Your work and dedication are top quality, I truly mean that. I'm not sure who would call you a pest, and my opinion of them (not knowing the situation of course) would be that they're jealous. I really enjoy when you log on and I get to look forward to your expansions on articles. While I don't play RuneScape anymore, I love reading the information provided in the articles about things I never knew about. I would take people's negative comments with a grain of salt. You are one of our greatest editors. As far as getting involved in the community, a person with strong beliefs and opinions is a vital role in the solution/progression. I'm sure you've noticed that I'm very strong willed, and I believe you are too. While many people may disagree with certain views that you may have, it's not a reason to be influenced by other people's opinions. I value your input on matters, and the majority of the time I agree with them. You know what you're talking about, and you're able to argue your point to pretty much anyone. Don't get discouraged or fed up with comments, just roll with the punches, and keep doing what you're doing. Perhaps some time I'll be able to provide the encyclopedia with the content and information you do. As for now, I'll deal with the vandals and do what minor things I can. Sorry to cut this short, but I need to go get my wife from work. Send me a response and I'll get back to you in the morning when I get to work! 03:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Object Id

I was planning on doing this - and I captured the ids already.

Advantage - unique ID (see Herb tea mix) - reusable data
Disadvantage - Hard to detect vandalism

Rich Farmbrough, 15:52 19 November 2008 (GMT).

OK all exchange items now have an ID field, but some 400 need filling in manually. THey are in the category Category:Exchange items with no ID. Rich Farmbrough, 16:14 20 November 2008 (GMT).

[edit] navbox is looking great

with the collapsible it's even better, are you going to implement the "v-d-e" thingy as well? I'm wondering if that is needed to keep the titles centered. ~kytti khat – 23:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

what bugs are you finding? I actually know more javascript than i let people believe, it's just that most of my career was coding in C, Java, and now PHP (php naturally compliments javascript) ~kytti khat – 16:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

the vd looks great. i'm curious could you clone the template for left alignment or maybe make a tri-state switch for it (default, left, center)? That way it could be test driven as left aligned, btw what is KIV? a quick google only found "keep in view" but that doesn't seem to fit into my dyslexic view of things. TBH full width seems fine for left justification, but centered seems to feel right at auto width. ~kytti khat – 17:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm having an issue with how to best format the Template:Skills for use with navbox. I worked up this version but it still doesn't seem right to me. Any ideas? ~kytti khat – 04:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

That's my sandbox ~kytti khat – 09:28, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh don't worry about that, Earthere installed the catbox 360 so it's always ready for use... ~kytti khat – 20:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe you've forced full width and centered, ewww. To me there are only two ways, 1) full width with left justification, or 2) centered with auto width, it just looks wrong on my widescreen monitor (unless of course i squish down the page) ~kytti khat – 20:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

That was weird, something must've purged the cache, sort of like my catbox 360 does for my sandbox...~kytti khat – 20:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Well now it looks a lot like wikipedia, now how to get it to look and feel like the RS wiki, I'm thinking it's time we develop a unique wiki style, ut oh, sounds like a project, now if only i knew more about managing projects... ~kytti khat – 20:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes it looks as expected now. ~kytti khat – 20:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Definitely convert all the nave templates possible, that way when we find/develop our unique look and feel there will only be one central place to make the feel consistent. ~kytti khat – 20:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Achievement Template

Mind if I use the achievement template you have set up? I really like the way it looks. Billy Bomb7 23:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Alright thanks for letting me use it. I might modify it a bit so it isn't more or less "stealing" it. Billy Bomb7 23:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It's in the public templates O_o? I never saw it there lol, must've overlooked it. Billy Bomb7 23:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks, I joined the wiki a while back, got active last month-ish, getting used to all the systems and pages here (Your help is well appreciated). Billy Bomb7 23:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navboxes

I've certainly added plenty of talk pages because of the wanted list, but I've fixed another template to do the same thing, and the wanted pages entry still doesn't go, so it may just be a problem with the wiki for templates modified before you made the change. Hurston ^{(T # C)} 17:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

It's the navbox rather than the template that uses it that is causing the problem as far as I can see. The wanted list gets updated roughly once a day.

Hurston ^{(T # C)} 17:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Signatures

Decided up on Signatures/Boilar. Thanks man LOL. --{{Signatures/Boilar}} 18:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Arghhh it's not going straight. --Signatures/Boilar 18:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yeah but I want it in the preferences as -~~~~

Ooooh. xP Thanks. --Boilar 18:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inappropriate username

Can you tell this guy to make a new account and block his old one because his name is impersonating a Jagex Mod. -- Da Sasuke Man! _{CHIDORI!(Contribs)}_(Edits) 15:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Romeo & Juliet Date

How do you know that the Romeo and Juliet quest was added to the game on the 1st of December 2000? --RS Ren 22:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Rich Farmbrough's bot status

Yeah thanks for the reminder! I left a message on Rich's talk page about it, User talk:Rich Farmbrough#Change bot account?--Richard^talk 20:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] centered navboxes

For single line items it seems right, but soon as there is more than one header it does not. can you point me to what the user has done? ~kytti khat – 07:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I was the one that started that style, without a gtitle heading it looks awkward uncentred . If you'd like we could enforce a gtitle heading for each group, but seriously without it it looks awkward, I even worked hard to get it into Template:Metal item on a clean basis, Buzz was actually the one that put it into Template:Metal item and Template:Metal (item) which was mostly a hack of an implementation, which made me realise there was a need for a clean implementation. The Template:Metal (item) doesn't have space for anything but one group so I left Buzz's hack centring as it was. ~kytti khat – 07:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't see where s/he (I'm assuming Sara means Saradomin and not a girl's name) did it, but yes I agree with the standard implementation over the hack centring. ~kytti khat – 07:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious do you think we could find a way to have templates toggle between iconic navigation and text navigation? I know that many editors seem to love the icon navigation such as seen in Template:Mining but it hit me that it would be nice to give readers a chance to click something similar to the [hide] thingie so that those that prefer text could actually get that. Just a thought. ~kytti khat – 07:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] actually

There is a talk in my sig, it's the em-dash that's shifted over the first letter k, which means in most browers you have two places to click on it, one is at the blank space after my name where the em-dash is right-shifted away from, and the other is the em-dash sitting over the 'k' in kytti. which browser/version/platform/os are you using? ~kytti khat – 08:02, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It's actually one and the same link, just an interesting quirk i recently learned about and naturally had to try (curiousity got the ~kytti khat –again) 08:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dream Mentor

Hi Azliq! I know you've completed Dream Mentor on lvl 93. Can ye tell me the details on what you were wearing and what food you used? Dream Mentor is one of the last 7 quests I have to complete, see my Userpage.-- Hapi007 ^{Talk! Sign!}. 16:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay thnx man! I'm sure I will complete it this week, thanks again.-- Hapi007 ^{Talk! Sign!}. 16:32, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Holidays!!!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
From:Bonziiznob

01:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright!

At User:Leevclarke/Max_Bulldog the Pepsi logo is used. This is copyright, and you're an admin, so can you do somthing? Thanks Mjs961 18:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Copyvio

Well it's not the Pepsi Max logo, though it is derived from it, though the difference may be fairly trivial. You'll notice I include the disclaimer "Despite the logo near the top of this page, neither Max Bulldog nor this wiki is affiliated with, endorsed by or sponsored by PepsiCo or any of its brands or products. The parody of the Pepsi Max logo is used without any permission, and no detriment is intended."

The copyrights guidelines say "Copyright-violating images are subject to deletion", but since it's hosted at Photo Bucket and not the wiki, I didn't think this would necessarily apply. Although RuneScape is not a web host, guidelines there do say: "Users are allowed to add content that is not directly related to the project... If you upload an image to [Photobucket or Imageshack], you may display it in your user space by simply adding the URL to the wikitext." I guess we do technically need copyright permission or a fair use claim for pictures hosted on third-party servers. Personally I'm calling this a parody (though this may not be an accurate term), and parody can be a claim for fair use.

People display videos (for example) on their userpages, and these are hosted on other servers, such as YouTube. Surely many of those are copyrighted, and I can't believe all our users have permission to display them. I myself have the opening credits to Fantastic Max on the same page, and that's probably subject to the same issue.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm surprised anyone has singled this out. I'll remove it in the meantime (I'm not keen on causing a problem here), but if there is a policy against this then there is quite a lot more content being displayed on user pages that falls into the same category. Leevclarke ^talk 19:35, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I was just thinking from the point of view of whether this is against policy, and whether it should be against policy. ;-) Might bring it up on the Yew Grove, though hopefully there aren't more important issues already raging. :-D Leevclarke ^talk

19:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Template examples

I agree, the page looks quite unkempt do to the various templates. We could simply remove the templates themselves and have a simple one sentence description (or something to the like) in each one's place rather than the current display.--

Azaz129

^Talk ^Edits ^Contribs

20:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:PVP items

Take a peek at this hack. I'm wanting to find a way to dispose of the surplus "v•d•e"s. I tried excluding the name parameter in the subcomponents but then it shrank the titles down to the size of the "v•d•e"s. Any thoughts? meow? ~kytti khat – 15:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay correction, i got rid of the "d" part but still you'll see what i'm talking about... ~kytti khat – 16:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

For what it is navbox2 looks functional. Let me ask you this however? Is there a way for the template to know it's been/being recursed into? If so then the child portion could know to ignore the |name= parameter and use the |subgroup=yes setting, additionally if the parent was aware it could automatically set the |style=padding:0 as well. There must be a way to recognise recursion. If so then future editors here would find the navbox templates that much simpler to use. Quick example of what i'm thinking (based on the version of PVP_items you posted with only the last group modified):

If any of this is doable, then please by all means, if not, then please roll navbox2 over into navbox. Template:Rune equipment could use a cleanup from the hack i did to list the 3 types of god armours there and navbox2 would really do the trick there. ~kytti khat – 22:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Well i'm totally addicted to navigational templates now, i want to be able to cross reference everything (thus the reason i'm going with the more liberal interpretation of the word "Metal" for purposes RSW that is). So navbox2 looks good far as i can see. Ship it! If something isn't quite right we can always fix it later. ~kytti khat – 12:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Mace

While going through and adding corrupt dragon items to the articles' navigation templates, it dawned on me that it would be simpler to just add a template that links the needed stuff and future edits would be much quicker (as opposed to what i spent most of this day doing, but it's okay i respawned at my usual respawn point last night and am now experimenting with sleep deprivation). The thing with this template is that it's linked to the lower nested template level for the "v•d•e". Anyrate it hits me that feed through thingies would be the way to go. If you're already geared up for this then beenz kewl, regardless my curiousity will keep taking me back to wikipedia's navbox template (with it's tasty crunchy morsels) at least until i totally understand it, at which point i'll be bored with templates and find some other distraction and proceed to bat it under the sofa. ~kytti khat – 20:47, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I fixed this issue, now it will be easier to use template:metal item in a nested fashion. ~kytti khat – 22:34, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Holiday Rewards

Hi Az! A user/Ip adress called 84.45.232.36 keeps editing the Holiday Rewards page. Could you please block him, or tell him that April Fools arent Holiday events, and that the Burnt, Raw and Cooked turkey were no Holiday reward? I reverted his edits, but he keeps on readding them.-- Hapi007 ^{Talk! Sign!}. 11:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

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