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Contents 1 Untitled 2 "Tavvy" 3 A quest? 4 History of Taverly

UntitledEdit

Okay, why exactly is it spelled as "Taverley"? Shadowdancer 19:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

That's how it's spelled. Look at the world map.--Richard 19:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The map in the article is wrong. I'll fix that.--Richard 19:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Fixed.--Richard 19:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Tavvy" Edit

It IS called "tavvy" by players. Chiafriend12 02:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

In response to repeated deletion of Tavvy: Tavvy is a REDIRECT. It is intended to improve the fluency of the wiki. Is it necessary to exert so much effort to delete it? If it is used even once by a visitor, it has served its purpose. It doesn't matter how common it is. Why delete something which does its job? It takes up virtually no space on a server. In the words of the Beatles, let it be (eww I hate oldies music...).  Gangsterls  _talk02:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Rather than asking "Is Taverley Tavvy?", try asking "What is the name of the village northwest of Fally?" You may ask "please tell me the short-hand of it." Now that is viable proof, rather than misworded questions. Tarikochi 03:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll go ask people that then If I must. But whether it is "misworded" or not, only 33% of people answered negative while 66% answered positive. Chiafriend12 03:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Here ya go: [1]

While I didn't ask that many (due to time and do not feel like getting on RuneScape), and while these people are moderately better than average in comparison to the usual RuneScape Wikian, their reactions are proof enough of the unusuality of Taverley even having a short-hand. Tarikochi 03:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Once again, someone is bit by the bug to make useless pages, and then "proving" their point but throwing it in the opposers face. I personally been playing since 2003, and have never heard it called Tavvy. If you want to make all these pages for abbreviations, misspellings, and whatever else, just to get your main up...go right ahead, but we all had a discussion on the IRC, and obviously you couldn't let it go Atlandy 03:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

So you're going to assume that everyone who makes a redirect that you don't agree with is simply trying to get easy edits? Having a high editcount might be your goal in life, but it isn't mine, and I doubt that it's anyone else's. Is it really worth arguing over edits on a fansite for a video game? That's not something you're going to put on your resume. I don't know what IRC discussion you're talking about, but it's irrelevant. The deletion policy describes a good case for the deletion as a redirect as one which is useless or incorrect. Tavvy has a use, as I have explained, no matter what the percentage of players would agree. It isn't incorrect either. Deleting it is a violation of the deletion policy, and the next person who deletes it will be blocked for 2 hours.  Gangsterls  _talk03:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't read anything in RuneScape:Deletion policy that says that deleting it is a violation of the deletion policy. In fact, it's for it in the fourth to last bullet, as an "Incorrect redirect".

Also, you cannot block someone because someone disagrees with you and attempts to re-delete it, as according to RuneScape:User block policy.

Either way, I've placed it upon RuneScape:Votes for deletion/Tavvy, so go argue there. Tarikochi 03:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not an incorrect redirect - it links to a valid article and it is a legitimate nickname for the subject of the article it is linked to. It has a use: Chiafriend has proven that four players recognize it as a nickname for Taverley. Logical inference would suggest that hundreds of others would recognize it as a nickname and dozens would use it often to refer to Taverley. It serves a purpose as a redirect for all of these players. I have used it myself. Deleting it would be deleting legitimate content, which is defined as vandalism on the CVU page. Vandals are to be blocked according to the block policy. The block would not prevent others from disagreeing with me or discussing the conflict. It would prevent vandalism. The VFD is invalid as per the deletion policy as the redirect is legitimate content. These deductions are all made from the wiki's official policies which were decided by community consensus. I am not debating this issue. I am warning you that the actions which you have suggested are violations of official policies and vandalism. According to the policies decided by the community itself, you are simply wrong.  Gangsterls  _talk04:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I have explained how Chia's approach at "proof" is incorrect, and I have shown proof that there are people who do not recognise "Tavvy" as shorthand.

If you would like to start an indirect chain to call something vandalism, then it's easy to say that you are reverting good faith edits, which being against that policy, is considered vandalism, therefore making it necessary to block you, as accordance to the policies set by the community itself.

However, rather than misreading the policies, I'd prefer to get a consensus for it, which you seem to not be interested in at all. Tarikochi 04:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Would you like to explain how deleting a valid redirect is a good faith edit? Because that's the weak link in your little chain there. Vfds on whether we should vandalize our own wiki indeed do not interest me. Come back when you can prove that it's an invalid redirect, and then we can talk.  Gangsterls  _talk04:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a good faith edit, as even clearing unnecessary content is good faith. It's the same as removing the line "Dragon Chainbodies are obtainable from Goblins", except with deletions.

And I've already shown that it's an invalid redirect. Just read above. Tarikochi 04:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Three people who neither agreed nor disagreed with it being a nickname for Taverley is the best proof you can give me to support your argument? Why should I trust your evidence? You yourself said that Chia could have removed people who disagreed, how do I know that you haven't done the same with your evidence? Removing false information is different from removing a valid redirect. In this case, proof is unnecessary. Two people have said that they use the redirect: Chia, and myself. Redirects don't need to be widely used. Why aren't you making such a big deal over ammy of glory? Go do something more useful with your life instead of trying to prove something false which has already been proven true.  Gangsterls  _talk04:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The fact that they never even mention "Tavvy" is even better then mentioning the word to see if they agree to it. They would laugh if I said that word.

And the reason why I mention removal is because you constantly mention Chia's proof and compare it to a hundred people.

ammy of glory is also a commonly said phrase. "Tavvy" I have never even heard of. I still would like "V" to redirect to Varrock though, as I must commonly refer to Varrock as "V", justifying its redirect.

I'm after the improvement of the Wiki. I am doing something useful. Tarikochi 05:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Really? I've never seen anyone use the phrase ammy of glory in game, so let's delete it! On the other hand, I've seen Tavvy used in game dozens of times. I already told you four times that all the images uploaded as "proof" are irrelevant to the situation, and I was using them before to make a point. Do you know that your friends would laugh if you said the word "Tavvy"? You wouldn't unless you had said it, in which case you had omitted that from your "proof". Deleting a single redirect will not improve the wiki.  Gangsterls  _talk05:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I will obtain new proof in a day or so, in-game.

And if the images are irrelevant, you refer to them quite a lot.

And preventing inappropriate redirects from clogging the servers improve the Wiki. Tarikochi 05:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I referred to the images to prove my point about evidence, which you would have known if you had read the whole sentence. I have already stated that any proof which any of us can provide is most certainly biased, as you have suggested. Lastly, that redirect took up 20 bytes of space. Including images and multiple discussions and deletions, we've probably clogged the servers with over a megabyte of unnecessary data. So what is deleting a single redirect really worth?  Gangsterls  _talk05:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I did read the whole sentence. You still mentioned it often.

The memory isn't the issue as much as the list of pages that can appear in Special:Specialpages in some categories. Tarikochi 06:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we can think more logically about this topic.

Q: Does it really matter is someone says "tavvy" isn't a nickname?

A: If someone says otherwise, then no. The person and their saying of otherwise is proof to debunk that it isn't a nickname.

Q: Is VfD for "tavvy" (seen here) good evidence?

A: No for two reasons. 1, it was not put up for long enough for more than 4 people to be able to vote. It wasn't even put up for a day. Most VfDs should be up for 7 days or more to give time for discussion and for everyone in the community to be able to vote. 2, someone who opposed sees "tavvy" as a nickname.

Q: Can "tavvy" really be 'clogging' the server?"

A: Definitely not. It is only 20 bites more or so. Only something that is over 50kb would really be 'clogging' the server. It would take 2,500 redirects for something as small as "tavvy" to be 'clogging' the server.

Q: Is the IM conversation really proof?

A: No. There's no way to see from another person's view that the other person may be a RuneScape player. Also, no one ever stated that "tavvy" was not a nickname. They just said "tav", which shows they acknowledge "tav" to be a nickname, but shows nothing about "tavvy" being or not being a nickname. But the other person who asked about there being a nickname for Taverley does not state that there is not a nickname.

Must I say more? Chiafriend12 21:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

The reason why the VfD was closed early was because Gangsterls deleted "Tavvy", not because it was decided not to give much time to decide.

And as said before, the clogging occurs in listing articles, not in memory space.

I can also easily get the people to log into RuneScape and tell me there. And it's a lot more valid than virtually the same as saying "Does the word 'Tavvy' remind you of Taverley?"

The argument is regarding "Tavvy", not "Tav" anyways. If you want a real experiment, ask 100 complete strangers to shorthand Taverley. It is very likely that none will say "Tavvy". Tarikochi 22:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You would think that someone would be a RuneScape player if they could answer "what's the town north of Falador?" on short notice. --Themurasame ^Hiscores 23:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

A person may think so, but some people (like my mom for example) would know where Taverley is in relavance to Falador, but do not play RuneScape. Chiafriend12 23:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

There were three people asked; more than one. There would have been more, but that was everybody that was online for me at the time. Tarikochi 23:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I've NEVER seen anyone calling Taverly "Tavvy." You can barely call that a shorthand anyway; "Tavvy" takes just as long to type as Taverly, although they both take a second to type. I mean, no one calls Varrock "Varry." But... there's Falador and "Fally."  Tien  13:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, yes, people call Varrock "Varry". More people than who call Taverly "Tavvy", as well. Oddlyoko ^talk 17:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

A quest? Edit

My cousin says that when he was a member (cant remember when that was), he did a quest involving Taverley, and he had to get a key from a guy, and he lost it. The guy wouldnt give him anymore. Im not sure if it DOES involve Taverley, but if anyone knows, can they tell me a quest that had a problem like that, where you could only get one key?

History of TaverlyEdit

Hi, Does anyone think that an aproximation and rough guide to taverly's history would be a good add-on to the article? I want to start writing histories, as that is generally what I'm best at, and taverly is one of the few I can think of that haven't already got a detailed history. I'll start now, but if you all think it isn't needed/wanted, I wont add it--Zilenserz^{talk! Join the RSWP today!} 14:29, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Go for it. I don't mind proof-reading etc. if you want, too.  Gaz Lloyd _Awesome^Events!_99s 19:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll probably put onto a subpage for you to proof read, before moving to the actual taverly page. Most of the information after the origins of the place and the caves below is all major events in asgarnia and how they probably effected the druids.

Ohye, should I add in information and evnts from the book Betrayal of Falador? Some noteworthy events happen to the druids. I guess I'll use the spoiler template for it.--Zilenserz^{talk! Join the RSWP today!} 13:14, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Done! I'll get Gaz to proof read it from my subpage before adding it to the article.--Zilenserz^{talk! Join the RSWP today!} 13:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Great stuff.  Gaz Lloyd _Awesome^Events!_99s 20:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)