Talk:Player Moderator

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Contents 1 Created 2 Moderator or moderator? 3 Becoming a player mod 4 Edited the right click-report part out 5 Mod abilitys 6 A reminder 7 1984 8 Ad Busters 9 Player moderator curators 10 11 Blackmarks 11 Importance of Report Quantity 12 Surgeries 13 Bot Busting section - non-encyclopedic

[edit] Created

I hope this page is informative and useful. If you have any improvements, feel free to add them. Fetttson 22:09, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I have yet to see a non-member moderator, though I have seen low level ones.--Runehqfan 22:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I have. He was 99 everything except for prayer I think, and runecrafting. I don't think it was Mendark 9 either.--Richard 01:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

My friend became a player mod when he was a nonmember and was combat 64. And he didn't even play RS all that much (his stats were mediocre even for someone of his combat level), so anyone is eligible.--24.96.242.143 20:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Definetly. I'm ftp, not all that great stats, and am a Pmod. WOOT! Megalodon99 _(Talk) ^score 23:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I have ben doing good things like helping new players, reporting abuse on sight... And I have not been made a Player Mod. I never swear, I have never had or made an offence, never had a black mark, and I have been doing this the whole time since I started, about a year ago! Ilyas Talk Contribs23:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moderator or moderator?

This article uses both capitalizations. Which should be used? Hyenaste 11:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Becoming a player mod

"Messages sent by other players to Jagex regarding their helpfulness and accurate abuse reports against their character are also taken into account."

This is not true, Jagex does not take requests or recommendations for player mods. DarkMagic 17:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

That is correct. Jagex even confirmed that player mods arent chosen by other players writing messages to them. This is to prevent players from making other accounts and writing to Jagex with them saying that their main should be a mod. --S terror1 00:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

That is not correct. In the player moderation centre it even says that players' recommendations won't be taken consideration (as of May, 2007). Chiafriend12 04:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

They will take into consideration messages (queries) recieved from other players about another player's ingame conduct. They won't make someone a pmod just because of these, though, so they needn't worry about someone making several accounts and sending queries to get modded. Ojdude ^talk 22:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edited the right click-report part out

Anything not stated by Jagex in the kbase or through the town crier about player mods is considered confidential. This includes the right click report in the hidden update, which someone made known on the article. I think it would be worth pointing out that Jagex bans any player who reveals any of said information. Ojdude ^talk

Immediate ban? That's harsh! Is it perm. or temp.? Chiafriend12 07:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Most of the time they don't give a ban, to my knowledge. It depends on what it was that was leaked, but they give at least a demod for leaking information. Skill 00:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a full, permanent ban for leaking the info. I have to reread the materials though, since changes do happen. Either way, Jagex isn't happy when people reveal this info. Rendova 09:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

JAGeX have confirmed that the right click Report Abuse option isn't considered "confidential" so they don't mind if you write about it.

Spell it right, and show us where they say that. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 18:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone put it back in, more discreetly this time :| but it's gone now. If anyone else sees something about it, feel free to edit it out. I can't always be checking this. Rendova 23:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Solution: Citations should be made for PMod abilities that Jagex has never stated. earth_(t)

Mmm... Hi, I just noticed that the article "Assist System" has Trivia section which states that mods have right click report option, anything that is not stated by Jagex in KB is considered confidential, and I think this part should be removed. And I know I should have posted this under Assist System article, I just thought it will get more attention here. Besides, it's the same topic - right click reporting. Thanks. Oh, and I would do that myself, but I've never edited an article, so I don't want to mess it up. 85.232.152.210 12:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, why make such a big deal about such a minor and logical thing. I mean, if you have moderators, you want to make their life easier by not forcing them to type the supercomplicated names chosen by rule breakers. If you have moderators everyone knows that they are supposed to have helpful tools and goodies to help in their job. Being a mod isn't just for having a silver crown when you talk. And also, with all this censoring now the article become potentially erroneous because it says Player moderators do not have any special abilities besides priority reports and the ability to mute troublemakers. Spreading false information isn't much the spirit of a wiki... Patheticcockroach_(Talk) 12:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

"why make such a big deal about such a minor and logical thing." - that's what I want to know! Why can't you people just accept this and let it go? Rendova 20:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I just checked the other article mentioned up there^, and since it was actually released in the knowledge base publicly, there's no reason to take it out. Rendova 20:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't expect to get such a fast response. Based entirely on this discusion I thought that that Trivia part that mentions moderators should be edited (and I did edited, only few words from the whole section that made it clear about mods having this power, see discussion page). I am not experienced in all this Wiki stuff so I would really appreciate if someone more expierenced took a look and made all the needed correction if any needed. As i said, I based my decision on this discussion section, I thought if it's not O.K. to mention right click reporting in this article, so same applies to other articles. Kristyyy 10:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mod abilitys

My friend says u can change ur name if ur a p mod. is that true? 70.115.213.84 05:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Skill 05:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Jagex moderator can change their names. Your friend might be thinking of them Rendova 07:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

"Player moderators are chosen specifically by Jagex staff based on their behaviour and maturity in RuneScape and on the forums, and the accuracy, quality and quantity of abuse reports."

That is incorrect. Jagex does not look at the quantity of abuse reports. They ONLY look at quality, as told by the town crier.--S terror1 13:44, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

From the KB : We review their behaviour in the forums, the number and quality of abuse reports sent in. Patheticcockroach_(Talk) 12:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Their behaviour on the forums... So one must be a member to become a player moderator? {{SUBST:Gebruiker:Geleyns/HT2}} 14:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

No, free players can become mods too. --Dr5ag2on1 14:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

This account was f2p when it got modded :) Rendova 01:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Moving to a different issue, I think there are many more player moderator myths that could be addressed than are mentioned here, perhaps in a topic on its own? Eshtaol 11:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

An article on pmod myths would be interesting indeed. This article has that section currently, but if their were more myths, perhaps it would be a possibility. I don't know any myths not listed off the top of my head, but if other people have some, please spit them out. Randox 04:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

I know a few people that have looked through the Runescape client and some mythes are true. People say mods can do a command like people do on private servers. Yes it is true but but jagex have fixed it now but, before you were able to dump frames and stuff even if you werent a Moderator.

[edit] A reminder

Wikipedia (wiki is its sister) is NOT runescape, nor does it abide by runescapes rules. Wiki does NOT withhold information that could be deemed offensive. Also, you do not need to have jagexs permission to post a image, or information, from a non related company (or website). Therefor, posting information not released cannot be withheld, even if it cant be proven to be the real thing, and there should be a consensus on here b4 posting such a thing. We still have to cite or reference our information. Warrush 01:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia does not abide by the RuneScape rules, but we're not Wikipedia. All the Jagex rules do apply here, though. Chiafriend12 01:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No it doesn't, wikia does not have a rule stating we have to abide by our topics (in this case a website) set rules. Wikia is not runescape either. Warrush 01:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC) EDIT- Also, browsing through the runescape.wikias rules, it too doesn't state anything saying we have to abide by runescapes rules. Beside the point, runescape has NEVER said to us non-mod players that we can't release anything that has not been released by jagex themselves, yes they might of told the pmods, but the pmods cannnot prove to us that they did or else they would be breaking the rules jagex may or may not have told them. Warrush 01:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Since you people are so relentless, I GIVE UP. Yeah... I give up... so I made a video. It shows you every little mod secret there is. Including the extremely well-guarded secrets to becoming a mod... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsJ19sy3JI ... and I'm sorry people. I couldn't resist. Rendova 18:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Since you don't want to tell us, Rendova, you wouldn't say the truth if someone did find the real copy of the PMod centre, which they did once. I even saw the same version of it on a different website, so it's likely that it's true.  C Teng ^talk 21:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

If someone finds something that's real I'm not going to lie, and I wasn't then and am not now. It looked/looks nothing like it. And look at this from a not-so-paranoid standpoint. If someone finds a picture that they really believe is real and is as "secret" as the mod center, wouldn't they repost that picture somewhere for Their friends to see? Also, I've come across the picture myself as well as I go searching for gp selling, scam/hack, and other similar sites. Rendova 00:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1984

Must this article be censored by JAGEX? EVERYONE knows that Mods often have parties, sessions with Jmods, the ability to recommend others to become mods and see a list of every mod in game. Search for a leaked version of the Pmod center, you'll see... —86.137.78.23 (talk • contribs) forgot to sign this comment.

Well, I didn't know that. Where did you get that information? It could have been before the website update. It could also have been a fake online P-Mod Centre. You'll need reliable a reference to post that.  C Teng ^talk 16:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I have heard that information before, and it makes me die of laughter every time. All those leaked p-mod centeres... they're all either fake or ancient. Nearly everything in relation to p-mods has changed within the past year. The only true statement from your text above is that p-mods have parties. Those parties are no secrets, though; they go marching through free-to-play worlds forming "meep" lines filled with more normal players than moderators. They're really just parties (if you venture to call them that) organised by p-mods. P-mods get no advantages over normal players, and most of what you said would fall under that category. Of course, p-mods used to go macro hunting with J-mods before the RWIT updates, but normal players were encouraged to tag along; so again, no secrets there. The only information confined to only the p-mods' ears is sensitive information that, if revealed, could render some p-mod strategies useless. For example, if a scammer knew exactly what p-mods were looking for, (s)he might be able to evade action. It's really just uninteresting information like that that's kept confidential, so I think it's best that we don't go around begging p-mods to break their confidentiality agreements. The agreements are meant to better RuneScape, not to keep normal players in the dark.

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[edit] Ad Busters

A while back, some vandals were going around deleting each and every reference to the Ad Busters clan chat on the wiki, both in articles and talk pages alike. After reverting the edits, I contacted the player who operates the chat (I knew him from my earlier days as a mod) and learned that people had increasingly been trolling the chat. They said they had found it through the wiki. A few chat users had offered to clear the chat's name from our wiki. They were the supposed vandals.

Although he asked them to back off and respect the wiki policies of not editing sections out of talk pages et cetera, he requested I ask the other editors here to please not mention the Ad Busters clan chat in any of the articles. I thought I posted something about it back then, although if I did, I can't currently find it. Since I'm no longer active on the wiki, I thought I would say something now. Whether or not his request is respected is entirely up to you.

With that, I'm off once again! Happy editing, and take care! :) Rendova 09:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, and I'm the one that put the info in there in the first place! I'm a big fan of Ad Busters, and I was very active in that movement during the anti-RWIT movements. It's too bad that our own contributors who come across Ad Busters choose to vandalise it in-game rather than using it for its constructive purpose.

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Well, I'm sure it's just a very miniscule minority that does it. Still, I have to agree with the man that it's probably best to advertise the clan chat via word of mouth. I'm glad you're okay with this though :). When I edit out someone else's contribution, my conscience always nags me about it, so again, I'm glad you're okay with it ^^. Just out of curiosity, are you a captain in the chat? Rendova 14:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, see, if I answered your question, I'd either be claiming to be a p-mod or claiming not to be one. And a p-mod would be unlikely to tell people outside of the game that he/she is a p-mod. ;)

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It's just advised, but certainly not required. I know several mods here on the wiki, and I wasn't too secretive about it when I was one :). I was actually a captain myself in AB for a while way back when it first came out. It didn't really fly with me though. I was more there to provide a positive moderator encounter for the nonmods visiting the chat. Eventually I decided since I wasn't really chasing bots I should move off to King Cut's help chat, and I did. It was still a great place though ^^ Rendova 17:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Player moderator curators

I removed the part of player moderator Curator teams, i never heard of them, and couldnt find anything about it in the knowledge base or a site i really trust the information of. Any real evidence out there? i would like to see it :) —86.80.54.3 (talk • contribs) forgot to sign this comment.

[edit] 11 Blackmarks

Could I become a moderator, even though I have a history of offenses (that were committed a year ago), and in total I have 11 Blackmarks. I am on a last chance. Do I have a chance of becoming a mod? Mythik 23:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Anything is possible if you show that you have learned from your mistakes but don't play RuneScape with the goal of becoming a mod in mind. Jagex tends to pick people that aren't trying to become mods, so it's best to just be yourself and the invitation might just show up in your inbox one day. Andrew ^talk 23:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Importance of Report Quantity

I have removed number of reports from the list of criteria Jagex uses to find new mods, and added a mosconception to the bottom of the table about quantity of reports. Report quantity is not a modship criteria and being listed as such encourages people to make large numbers of useless reports about people saying 'noob' and other trivial matters (also noob is not against the rules, or over half of players would be muted already). I also hope that Jagex will make this more clear to the public in the future. Randox 16:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I know mods that had very few reports prior to being modded. Report quality is what matters, not quantity.

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[edit] Surgeries

Would it be beneficial for an image of the player moderator surgery room (with names and chat removed of course) to be uploaded and added to the article? I don't think it could in any way be harmful, as I doubt anything "confidential" exists outside of the actual discussion. Dtm142 22:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...I have pictures. I'll see what I can do about adding one because, frankly I agree that there would be no harm in this. However I do need to have it cleared because I am still bound by Jagex rules regarding confidentiality, and I am not the sort of person who divulges secrets without permision, rules or not. I'll make a case though. Randox 04:05, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

EDIT/Addition. I have been asked not to release a picture as of now, but there is good reason to belive this will change at some point. When the time comes, you'll get a picture, but don't hold your breath. Jagex is a company and changes take time. Randox 01:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

On the contrary, such a picture would contain confidential information. I can't release what, as that's confidential. ;) It'd be a rather dull picture, anyway.

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[edit] Bot Busting section - non-encyclopedic

I've found a number of problems regarding the "'Bot busting' section" of this article...

1) PoV?
- First of all, guys, articles on Wikipedia and any site hosted by Wikia are supposed to be NPOV! I know that bots are bad and all that and rule-breaking, but still, we must abide by the rule that this article should taken on a neutral point-of-view. But I'm not quite sure if this article is like that. Like the following sentences, "They roam all over RuneScape, deceiving innocent players..." Okay maybe "innocent" isn't being too PoV, but by reading it, it sure sounds like it. I'm not quite sure about that one because innocent might just mean that they haven't broken a rule, but besides that...
- "Even places such as the flax fields of south of Seers' Village can become a habitat for these evil creatures." As I mentioned earlier, while bots are a part of rule-breaking, it is just going too far by calling them "evil creatures." I'm not saying this because I use bots myself, because I don't, I'm saying this for the quality of this article and this wiki. While bots may be an unfair advantage to other players, terms such as "evil" should not be used, especially when describing something from a game. In life, different people have different perspectives of good and bad, and no matter how "blasphemus" bots may seem to people... well, I think I've made my point. For accuracy's sake, we might as well also take out "creature." This is an encyclopedia, while I love to be expressive, we're supposed to be as literally accurate as possible. Bots are AI, non-organic, and certainly not animals. Therefore, they are not creatures.
- "Bot-busting" can be both entertaining and beneficial to the entire RuneScape community. If you are in search of a way to contribute to the game you love, start hunting these evil-doers!" <<- These entire two sentences are completely PoV. It reads more like an ad written by Jagex than an actual encyclopediac article... this brings me to the most important thing I'm trying to say here...

2) Rewrite
- This entire section should be rewritten, but not removed. It would be helpful for any reader that wishes to go bot hunting, but it is not only much too PoV, but again, it reads like something written by Jagex itself. I'm not sure if this was copied over from the actual website or what, but if that was the case then the subsection "How can you help" should either be rewritten as an encyclopedic article or be within quotations marks. Furthermore, these articles aren't meant to be written in 2nd-person. All the "you" this and that should be changed into "players can...," "if a player would like to...," etc. etc.

Anyways, I'm much too preoccuppied with Life's Predators to really contribute to any wiki site, but I would appreciate it if someone would fix up this section, or more specifically, the subsection. Cyfiero 06:33, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Actualy, I can't say I agree with very much of that article at all, and while I don't care if people bot hunt, I would not personaly encourage it. Anyways I'll take a look again tomarrow when I am more lucid, and migth re-write if no one beats me to it. Randox 01:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, edited a couple of bits "Evil Creatures", lol...are bots as much of a problem any more? Should the title of this section be replaced with "Bot hunting" because "bot busting" is a little "ghostbusters", know what I mean? _{user:86.168.157.139 forgot to sign}

I would refrain from using "bot hunting" on the gorunds it could promote such activety. That said, not encourageing that and instead reporting as you see it is more of a personal choice than any policy I know of. Randox^Talk 04:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)