Talk:Noob

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I think that something needs to be done about this article. The whole thing was copied from this Wikipedia article, and it is full of information irrelevant to RuneScape but about mmorpgs in general. I propose that everything except for the introduction be deleted and a link to the wikipedia article be placed at the bottom of the page. -- Couchpotato99 (talk) (contribs) 21:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Froobie 2 This article needs to totally be redone 3 This article is heartless 4 complete rewrite 5 Newb vs. Noob 6 Neutrality 7 Most of this article should be redone. 8 Complete revision 9 A few concerns 10 I'm gonna be bold. 11 No offense... 12 Choob 13 Filled it Out a Bit 14 Usual Characteristics of a "Noob" 15 Nub 16 Levels 17 Dancing 18 Okay....is "noobism" a word? 19 Page move 20 Wow.

[edit] Froobie

Froob has no set meaning in RuneScape. Froob should just be removed from this article together. Rohtul Xel 23:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually Froob means "(Fr)eaking n(oob). So it does have a set meaning. C.Chiam^{TalkShoutout!} 11:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs to totally be redone

It just does, pardon my french, but it's bullshit. Rohtul Xel 23:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a wiki that *anyone* can edit. Go for it, be brave =) --Eucarya 23:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ehh? I'll try.. Rohtul Xel 06:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of all the stuff that was about online games in general, someone that's not me needs to improve upon what I wrote ALOT. Rohtul Xel 20:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is heartless

Quote from article: "They have no care for the rules and do whatever they wish. They often get into arguments just to make the other person mad, and sabotage games like castle wars for their own glee."

Quote from lvl 3: "I like to do some fishing some of the time, and I like to mine as well. I wouldn't sabotage minigames. I could get banned."

This article does not describe noobs as they really are at all. Noobs do have care for the rules, they do not accept fights in the duel arena and THEY DO NOT SABOTAGE MINIGAMES. Everyone was a noob once, and they never did anything like that. Whoever wrote this article is probably a choob. -- Carralpha - the noob protector

I actually would put a neutrality of this article is disputed on this page. In fact I will. --◙▲╛Whiplash ◙▲╛ 19:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

...In RuneScape, a noob is an idiot, a prick, not a very nice person. NOT just a new player. (Haven't read the article but all you need to do is have a few days experience to know this.) JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

In the Knowledge base page, Jagex says that noob simply means 'new player', and some high-level players will call any low-level player a noob. -- Carralpha

That's what Jagex think. It's not necessarily what's actually true. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 17:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] complete rewrite

I have completely rewritten the article to address above concerns. Let me know what you think! Hyenaste^talk 19:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Well done; looks good to me. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newb vs. Noob

"Newb" is simply an inexperienced player. "Noob" is a player who acts like an idiot/is mean to other players/doesn't know the workings of the game AND is unwilling to learn/pretends to know more than they do.

Explain me this then: Why would 30% of high-level players call ANY player significantly below thei level a noob? -- Carralpha

Because their trying to say their stronger, I only use noob when refering to idiots. Also I very much dont like this article. --◙▲╛Whiplash ◙▲╛ 13:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

In response to what Wiplash said: Nor do I like this article. I do not like the word "Noob" nor do I like and substitution, such as "Newblet" or "Froob". Newb is simply a substitute word for Noob and means the same thing. Ilyas --Ilyas 21:40, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, "Noob" and "Newb" seem interchangerble on RuneScape, although it is my understanding that "Noob" means an annoying/idiotic player, such as a high level player, or someone that has been playing for a long time, asking something like "Where is Al Kharid?" but I think this because I have an 56 month account on Neopets, where a "noob" is an annoying player. It would seem that "Newb" is simply a shorter version of "newbie" which is why I use the word "Newb" when referring to a new player. In response to Carralpha, 30% of high level players call lower level players a noob because of the assumption that anyone low in level as not been playing for very long, even though I has had the pleasure of seeing a moderatly high level asking for 10 gp at the Lumbridge side of the Al Kharid gate, on a members world, where there are plenty of men and women in Lumbridge to pickpocket to get 10gp. It is my opinion that whether someone is a "noob" or a "newb" is by how they act in game and on the forums, not because of some pixels. I will bet my cape that many people that called me a noob when I was level 30 something at castlewars haven't read much of the KB.Marcus Gord 11:49, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Basically..
Newbie = New player
Noob = Stupid new player I Lyk Toast 17:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Newb has a definite meaning: short for newbie (new player), but noob has never had a definite meaning. Many people try to define it, but the truth is, it can mean anything. Only the person who calls another person a noob knows what they mean (although it is general regarded to as a lower-levelled player, or someone who doesn't know much about the game). - Read about it! Liwolf1 - June 3, 2008

[edit] Neutrality

I don't think this article represents a neutral point of view. Many people have different definitions to the word "Noob" as of their in-game experiences. As some might think this word means a low level player, some may think it to be a player that is immature or acts better than others. Therefore I think that this article does not represent a neutral point of view. Ilyas

I agree, it can't present a neutral point of view because everyones definition of a 'noob or a 'newb' etc. are different, so the views presented will be the views of the author, even unintentionally, as this is a subject that everyone has a seperate opinion about. Marcus Gord

[edit] Most of this article should be redone.

I think part of this article should be redone. Completely. the part that i think should be redone is: "All players are noobs when they first log into the game, but many shed this condition within several play sessions". ERGHH!!! That sentance inferiates me! I use the word 'several' to mean 5-12. What I get from that sentance is 'All players are noobs when they first log into the game, but then are not noobs anymore after 5-12 sessions on RS.' Thats hardly ever true. It took me some 30 sessions just to be level 10 and to just scrape the iceberg on RS culture, language and the surrounding area. Another quote from the article that burns me up is: "By level 30, a player is still new". >:( When i became level 30 my account was a whole year old!! By then I was calling level 3 newbies because I was NOT ANYWHERE NEAR being a new player. Also the quote: "By level 60 or 70, most players have mastered enough of the game to independently face new challenges." is a quote i disagree with. By level 40 I've been playing for 2 and a half years and I had 34 QP! I could definately face new challenges. I completely mastered the free section of RS, except for the wilderness which I rarely ventured out into. Now I'm a level 58 member who has 47 QP and who can make 160k in an hour by making bow string. I'm not even level 60 yet and I know far more than level 70's know according to this article. Somebody, PLEASE re-do this article! User:Chiafriend12 _{P.S.: I forgot to put my username here. I can be such an air-head!}

I tend to agree, actually. I've been playing the game since day 1, before it was even known as RuneScape. Before Varrock, Rune Armour, Black Armor, Adamantite Armour, Barbarian Village etc; all that said, I am only level 92 with moderate wealth. Newb is just a word that is meant to be hurtful and derogatory most of the time. It's used by childish players in a game that is all too overrun by kids age five to mid teens. JadeTora 12:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Jade

I wrote that comment above close to two years ago, I think. Your response was rather late. :P Chiafriend12 01:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Complete revision

It's not really hard. If someone came here looking for the overall definition of Noob, we can link them to Wikipedia. If they want to know what it means on RuneScape, they come here. And here, all it is is an insult. It has no meaning. In other games, yes it does have meaning. In terms of its history, yes it has meaning. In a small minority of people's eyes (mainly those who play other MMORPG's) it has other meanings. But not in RuneScape. I suggest changing this article to a single paragraph article; something along the lines of "Noob is a common insult used amongst RuneScape players. Although it has different connotations in other games, in RuneScape it is used primarily as an insult, although a minority of players use the word "noob" in a non-derogatory way, to refer to a new player." JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 07:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Vimes, it needs revising, completely, I must confess I never really read the entire article, but that bit about players levels is untrue, I'm level 60 and I've been playing for a few months, my friend is level 23 and she has been playing much longer than I have, a players 'newbness'is determined by how they act, what they say and what they ask, it is nothing to do with their combat level at all. I volunteer to help with a re-write.Marcus Gord 19:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree too. Though many players refer to the word "Noob" as a definition of your combat level, it is only how you act and what you do. Though it is also used as an insult. I agree with Vimes and Marcus Gord. If my help is needed, I will help rewrite. Contact me on my Talk page if you need to speak to me about the rewrite. Ilyas

[edit] A few concerns

So much discussion above I don't know under what heading to put these:

Neutrality - RuneScape Wiki is not bound by any Wikia tenet to be neutral

Comparison to self - OK, if you are contributing any meaningful content to this Wiki, you are smarter than 99% of the people your level-class. Most people your level are stupid; you are smarter. You may add as many "not always true"s as you want, but don't undermine the noobiness of others.

Rewrite - Discussion is wonderful, but please don't hesitate to actually change the article... a complete rewrite doesn't have to be all at once. An article slowly shaped by multiple editors' small changes over a period of time will be superior to a single editor's instantaneous work in all cases. Hyenaste^talk 00:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I'm gonna be bold.

I'm gonna change the whole thing....and see what the reaction is. We can always change it back after. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 21:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Kinda responded late to this one, sorry... but, nice job redoing the article. Looks good to me! It now represents a neutral point of view, does not have a quarrel on it's talk page, due to the other reasons, and does not, as far as I can see, offend anyone. Looks great! Ilyas Talk Contribs--Ilyas 20:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I just looked at it a few minutes ago and I think it is MUCH better then what it was. But on the other hand, I miss it being longer. :( Oh well. Chiafriend12_(Contribs) 07:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No offense...

Whoever wrote this is completely wrong. Choob is not a halfway point, and froob is so uncommon and hazy in its definition it shouldn't be here. Choob is super noob, the true epitome. Noob: *standing in bank* Where is the bank?
Choob:*offered bank notes of something they are buying* Thats not *item*, thats just pictures of it, scammer!
And whoever said newbie(im too lazy to scroll up) is new player is right, but then they went and said a noob can ONLY be a new player. WrOnG...

[edit] Choob

My friend has the RunEscape handbook thingy and in the glossary it says "Choob - A high-level player who acts like a newb." Should this be mentioned or should it have its own artical? Just wondering... Letter 12 23:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC) (P.S. the qoute was not word for word but you get the idea. =P)

The RuneScape handbook is horrible outdated so I wouldn't use that definiton.

I used to use that term, and I still do - I call myself that sometimes, ehehe. I think it should be mentioned, but only once. It's a very minor, not widely used term. Oddlyoko ^talk 21:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Filled it Out a Bit

I tried to make the article a little less bias, and hopefully I succeeded - if not, there will be no objections to reverting it, being a "newb" myself. Yleron - ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 11:25, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Usual Characteristics of a "Noob"

I edited this list out:

• Wizard robe or Wizard bottom Sounds like a cheap shot towards mage pures
• Priest/black robe or bottom It's cheap and affordable, give me a break.
• Brass necklace lol
• Tiara or Wizard Hat (blu. or bla.) Tiaras are useful for runecrafting. Another insult toward mages.
• Full Bronze or Iron Armour Again, cheap and affordable
• Bronze Sq. sheild or Wooden Sheild I can understand the bronze square shield. The wooden shield/training shield is in my opinion the 2nd best shield a f2p mage can equip, as it doesn't reduce magic bonuses.

Seemed like a violation of neutral point of view to me. Earthere 02:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup it is. To me a "noob" might be a player who wears full addy (I said "might") or someone who wears hard leather. If this was kept in the article there would be constant changes everyday people changing "bronze sq." to "mith sq." and so on. Chiafriend12 17:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nub

The article says that nub has another, more offensive meaning, or something like that. What is that other meaning? GoldFalcon 21:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Look at definition #3, here. --Themurasame ^Hiscores 21:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Judging from my health class, the c******s is a female reproductive organ. A sysop might want to semi-protect this article incidentally.earth_(t)

The offensive phrase I know it is from, is from the phrase "nob", that comes from "renob", which is backwards for "boner", meaning an erect male reproductive organ. When someone calls someone else a "nub" that can imply that the other player is erect. Chiafriend12 23:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you realize how stupid that sounds? How much of a stretch it is? Christine^Talk 00:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Calm down, the section is gone. earth_(t)

A lot of players use it as an insult like that. That's why "nob" is censored, so people use "nub" instead. Chiafriend12 02:09, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Nub means noob,you nooblet--76.208.58.137 23:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Levels

Ive been called a noob, Ive been called a hi-lvl noob is a verey lite term having no exact meaning. Lvl 57 is to in the middle. Noob can refer to any lvl but if its based on newb, shouldnt it be for new players and new members, not an insult. As most edits i make this 1 will most likely be deleted but, lets try to not use noob as an insult

                                                           -Px1717Px1717 18:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dancing

In my 4+ months as F2P, I've only seen someone "dance for money" once. Oh yeah, he was also wearing full rune (t). earth_(t)

Lol. Da bomba3^talk2meSandy 22:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Okay....is "noobism" a word?

Some people also argue that noobism depends on behaviour not level. For example, a player doing the 'I found an air rune! I'm soooooo rich!' routine would be classified as a noob, but someone with lvl 3 combat wouldn't really be one unless they did something "nooby". Wtf! It's only used once in the article, and isn't really a word, so I will change it. FTWinston! ^talk 21:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

New Outa Other Big States. idk if that is what NOOBS mean but i know noob is calling someone a name or referring to a new player.Yefpatterson 16:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This sounds like an interesting backronym. Noob is derived from "Newbie"... a much older term where the origin of the word is much more obvious. I don't know when the "ew" turned into "oo".--Robert Horning 12:44, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

"ew" turns into "oo" when you put grammar noobs on the Internet. MarkGyver 00:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

This page had been moved to "Noob (slang word)", with a disambiguation page at "Noob" including links here and to New Order Occult Bookists. However, a two-link dab page is totally unnecessary, especially with no prior discussion and little (if any) attempt to update the many links that point to "Noob". As such, I have moved it back again. If there is a serious argument to be made in favour of the move, please make it here. Many thanks.  :-) Leevclarke ^talk 14:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wow.

Is this why the Runescape wiki was founded? To argue on a talk page over the neutrality of the 'noob' article?

Jesus christ.

You know, you can just leave if you don't like it. --NuparuMahnika 14:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk pages are made so people could argue on them. durr --Galanothwolf(talk) 14:41, October 10, 2009 (UTC)