Talk:Miscellania and Etceteria

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Contents 1 Euc's notes 2 More observations, the exact cost per material 3 Split 4 Resources from your kingdom 5 Kingdoms bugged? 6 Wondering.... 7 Bird eggs from the nests

[edit] Euc's notes

75k, 100% popularity, maximum on bar gets you...

• 892 maples and 8 birds nests (5 trees, 1 egg, 2 rings)
• 542 coal and 3 gems
• 1250 flax and 2 herb seeds (marrentil, harralander in my case)
• 60 herbs
• 440 tuna, 131 swordfish, 10 caskets (same cooked)
• 301 teak
• 204 mahogany
• 121 teak and mahogany together
• Farming is too hard to calc

more coming in subsequent days

Went ahead and did the rest -- Avian Maid 09:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

That's superb - I'm desperate for coal right now so I can stick mine back on to it now =) --Eucarya 10:01, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More observations, the exact cost per material

There isn't any general consensus on the fan sites about the cost of materials. It would really help me a lot if I get a good estimate to make the most efficient set up. Although, I wonder if there is some kind of random value that determines the cost per item in a specific range. I'll list my weekly observations. I'll adjust my distribution from time to time, but for now:

My formula: Prices per item = (Number of workers/Max number of workers)*Amount spent/Quantity received

Distribution: 8 coal, 1 maple, 6 herb

7 days, 100% approval rating daily, 525k spent:

• 625 maple (56 gp/log)
• 6 bird's nest
• 3062 coal (91.44 gp/coal)
• 15 gems
• 257 herbs (817.12 gp/herb)
• 2 herb seed

Silverwarp 08:39, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Distribution: 8 coal, 1 maple, 6 herb

7 days, 100% approval rating daily, 525k spent:

• Exact same as above

Distribution: 8 coal, 1 maple, 6 herb

14 days, 100% approval rating daily, 1050k spent:

• 1250 maple (56 gp/log)
• 12 birds nest (8 trees, 4 rings)
• 6125 coal (91.43 gp/coal)
• 31 gems (20 Sapphires, 10 Emeralds, 1 Ruby)
• 515 herbs - 91 harrlander, 43 ranarr, 37 cadantine, 92 tarromin, 30 dwarf weed, 35 lantadyme, 67 avantoe, 81 irit, 39 kwuarm (815.53 gp/herb)
• 5 herb seeds (2 harrlander, 1 marentill, 1 guam, 1 tarromin)

Silverwarp 01:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Distribution: 8 coal, 1 maple, 6 herb

21 days, 100% approval rating daily, 1575k spent:

• 1875 maple (56 gp/log)
• 18 birds nest (13 trees - 2 yew, 4 apple, 3 banana, 3 acorn, 1 maple; 5 rings - 4 sapphire, 1 gold)
• 9188 coal (91.42 gp/coal)
• 46 gems (25 Sapphires, 16 Emeralds, 4 Rubies, 1 Diamond)
• 773 herbs - 112 irit, 107 avantoe, 155 tarromin, 146 harrlander, 62 dwarf weed, 52 ranarr, 46 cadantine, 44 kwuarm, 49 lantadyme (815.01 gp/herb)
• 7 herb seeds (1 tarromin seed, 1 toadflax seed, 1 marrentil seed, 1 ranarr seed, 3 guam seeds)

Silverwarp 00:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Distribution: 8 coal, 1 maple, 6 herb

28 days, 100% approval rating daily, 2100k spent:

• 2500 maple (56 gp/log)
• 25 bird's nests (21 trees - 1 papaya, 2 orange, 1 banana, 4 willow, 4 apple, 3 curry, 2 maple, 4 acorn;4 rings - 2 sapphire, 1 gold, 1 ruby)
• 12251 coal (91.42 gp/coal)
• 61 gems (36 Sapphires, 13 Emerald, 11 Rubies, 1 Diamond)
• 1030 herbs - 256 tarromin, 204 harrlander, 74 ranarr, 108 irit, 136 avantoe, 62 kwuarm, 62 lantadyme, 44 cadantine, 84 dwarf weed) (815.53 gp/herb)
• 10 herb seeds (2 tarromin seed, 3 guam seed, 1 toadflax seed, 2 marentil seed, 1 harrlander seed, 1 ranarr seed)

Silverwarp 07:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Estimated Ranges:

Coal:

     92.081 - 92.251 (daily max)
     91.4136 - 91.4435 (1 week range)
     91.4136 - 91.4285 (2 week range)
     91.4136 - 91.4236 (3 week range)
     91.4136 - 91.4211 (4 week range)

Herb:

     819.67 - 833.33 (daily max)
     813.9535 - 817.1206 (1 week range)
     813.9535 - 815.534 (2 week range)
     813.9535 - 815.0065 (3 week range)
     814.7430 - 815.534 (4 week range)

Maple:

     55.99 - 56.02 (daily max)
     55.91 - 56 (1, 2, 3, 4 week range)

Comments: Maple is in all likelihood a solid 56 gp per maple. Herb and coal on the other hand....I'm not sure....Any theories offered would be appreciated. (BTW, I obtain the range by dividing the amount used on a certain distribution by the amount of item X receive and the amount of item X received + 1)Silverwarp 01:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that I know that there are no random changes, I'm going to play around with the number of days before I collect. Then I'll change the number of people per job (which I think might be a factor in the price per item).Silverwarp 06:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh one more thing, if anyone else has any observations to add other than mine, please post it here (in roughly the same format as I have done).Silverwarp 07:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like herb is 815 gp per. Silverwarp 00:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Split

Should part of this be split into, say, kingdom management guide so that this article can focus on the islands themselves? Skill 05:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it would be better split.  Amaurice ^talk 14:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, me too, even though this hasn't been mentioned for five months. What does everyone else think?  C Teng ^talk 23:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

You thought that 5 months was long. Still, i totally agree. If somebody else agrees i think that it should be done Evil yanks 07:00, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Resources from your kingdom

Do the things your subjects collect go into your bank, or do you have to go to the island every day? And if you have to go to the island to get your collected resources, do you have to go every day, or will the ones from the days you miss go away? Patranous ^Talk

You have to go to the island everytime you want to collect your resources. If you skip a day, it will just accumulate, you won't lose them. However, if you don't go everyday to refill your coffers and up your approval, you won't get as many resources. But no, you never lose what your subjects have collected. Christine^Talk_Flickr 23:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, Now I know what I need to do. I love this place, always full of helpful people! Patranous ^Talk

No problem :) Christine^Talk_Flickr 23:59, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdoms bugged?

My popularity dropped 75% in one day. No, I don't kill the citizens or steal from them.

I posted a thread on the RS forums about it (QFC: 14-15-441-58384619) and someone thinks it might be a bug. If that's the case, it really ought to be mentioned. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's a really big bug. 75% drop in popularity is impossible in one day, are you very sure someone didn't happen to kill citizens while your account was logged in or something? First time I've heard of something like this happening, and the Kingdom thing has been around for a long time. C.Chiam^{TalkShoutout!} 02:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "are you very sure someone didn't kill citizens while your account was logged in?" Only I use my account. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

That is a known glitch, but it really isnt that hard to get approval back. 02:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

But it's really annoying to have to mine 80 or so coal when I shouldn't have to. Also, did you read the forum post that other person made? She lost 400k to her coffers in one day. THAT is most definitely worth paying attention to. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Not trying to imply anything. Just looking for possibilities, you might have been getting a cup of water or something and your cousin sees your account logged in and goes on a killing spree. Just saying, it's a possibility. To Murtagh: this isn't really about losing the popularity, it's about a possible bug that may have caused it. C.Chiam^{TalkShoutout!} 02:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

No offense taken or anything. Not to worry. But I live alone so nobody is ever around to accidentally discover that I'm logged in and go on a rampage. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:35, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Good to hear. In any case, if this is a real bug, I guess it should be included in the article with screenshots of those forum posts you mentioned? C.Chiam^{TalkShoutout!} 02:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I can do that. I also have a screenie of my popularity as it is right now, if that means anything at all. However, ideally I'd like to hear if anyone else has ever had trouble with it before adding a bug section. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I also should point this out: No money was taken from my treasury (which contains 750k) and no resources were gathered today. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you're going to have to wait a long time to find someone who has had the same bug as you. C.Chiam^{TalkShoutout!} 02:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Either way, I'm submitting a bug report now. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by your lord Andorin (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Wondering....

Ok i have a few questions.

I have decided to became a member in the summer and try to do this. So they will collect all the things and take 50k-75k at max? What happens if i run out of money?

And will they really keep collecting for another whole year? (im only aloud to be a member in the summer)

[edit] Bird eggs from the nests

Ok i need someone who has PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to tell me that you can get raven eggs from the birds nests from miscellania. There's always rumors and people who "heard" that you get them. But im sick of this and want to hear the truth by someone who has got one.

I got excactly same nests(not counting the amounts) as in the screenshot. Can you even get other eggs than guthix?

too lazy to log in 91.153.97.138 21:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)