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[edit] Zaros

No offense,but it says "... I am Za-..." Not Zar. Thus is can even be zamorak. Bob the jagex cat is based on an actual cat from the original small jagex office. this is the office they moved from when they claimed ".. she will not like cleaning to kitchens..."

68.82.7.89 05:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


By the way, Zaros IS bob. Ever spoken to bob? Here is a quote: Well, I don't believe much since I know that I am Zar-...no I...erm, Meow?

...So? If someone came up to you in the street and said "I'm God", would you believe them? 80.3.96.42 09:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
besides, there are many possibilities for this, perhaps zaros is currently possessing bob, or even bob coould go by a name that starts with 'zar' and does not end in 'os' felinoel 21:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
If you did Desert Treasure, there is evidence that Bob is Zaros. However, this does not prove the idea. I, on the other hand, believe that Bob is Zaros.--Thek213 20:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
'So? If someone came up to you in the street and said "I'm God", would you believe them?' Well, for starters, this is a video game, not real life. And, if we don't have enough proof to back up that Bob is Zaros, we could just delete where it is stated. Image:D plate.png Mythik Image:Bandosgodsword.gif 01:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Break this up into seperate articles?

Should we split this article up into seperate articles for each god and disband it? Shadowdancer 05:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, if not now, in the future when this page is larger. This should remain a list, though. Hyenastetalk 18:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
A disambiguation page, then? Shadowdancer 18:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
i doubt the need for this, there is very little info known on the gods, and even less info that is commonly known felinoel 21:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RoXeL

Should we remove his name from the god list? It is quite funny yet inappropriate for a good article. I am unsure if this conduct is allowed on the Wiki so I will ask here! 1$ 03:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Seeing how s/he is a god, I think he should stay. Sαcrε Fι 03:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep per Sacre Fi. It's not a joke article, if that's what you're thinking. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 08:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
hmmm if we keep this RoXel as a god because it is worshipped like a god, then the the totemic spirits of nature that the Mountain People worship should be included as well because they worship them as gods, the named ones that we know of are Kendal and Fossegrimen, i am not saying get rid of RoXel i am saying include kendal and fossegrimen felinoel 21:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
We're not keeping him because he is worshipped like a god, we're keeping him because he is a god; we've no reason to believe otherwise. The Kendal is a fake god; I believe Fossegrimen could be counted as a god, and as such yes, it should be here. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 21:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
No, Kendal is a god of the mountain people. just because some random guy pretended to be him for short while, does not mean he does not exist felinoel 21:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Sign in before signing comments. And I beliebe that the people only worshipped him because they saw him; he was always a guy in a suit; they never worshipped anything else. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 21:37, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
going back in and editing it so it shows my name works just as well, especially when im not using my own computer, and speak with a jagex mod if you wish to confirm it for yourself, thats what i did and he said they worshipped him before the fake came along felinoel 21:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
But going back and editing means we can't tell if it's really you or not. And we can't see this J-mod claim, so you've got no proof to back that up... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 07:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
and since im not allowed to give you our discussions, i said to go and ask a jagex mod yourself Felinoel 15:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I shall do that. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 17:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Mod Matt P was one of the few who actually return querries on gods, address your letter to him
Addressing the letter in no way affects the who the reciever is. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 19:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ummm yes it does, I had tons of queries addressesd to Mod Matt P and he answered every one of them
Also I have a question about RoXel, when was RoXel added to runescape, can anyone confirm his existance? is it from some new quest or does Melzar now shout out pleas directed to RoXel now? Felinoel 20:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Head over to Melzar's Maze and see for yourself....In fact, I'll go do it now. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Ah so it is something new? is it a new quest or just melzar spouting out what he spouts? btw im not a member anymore and i havent been since my computer exploded and i couldnt get on runescape so i canceled my account, i havent felt like resubscribing since Felinoel 20:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
What makes you think it's something new? And it's non-members. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Because it wasnt there when i did the quest, ok so i will get on, message me in game to meet up, my username is felinoel Felinoel 20:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
i forgot to mention i cannot add you as a friend because i used to be a member and have the max amount of friends for a member Felinoel 20:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Melzar doesn't mention RoXel, even after I claimed four magenta keys. I'm deleting the article on him. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 21:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
he doesnt? hmmmmm i see, too bad Felinoel 21:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
It was strange, I was sure I recognised the name. Oh well... JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 21:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I didn't, not at all, i find when people post lies on wikipedia to be very malicious, can we find out who did it? Felinoel 21:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
User:Rohtul Xel. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 21:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

So, how do you report someone in wikipedia? Felinoel 23:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't know. But if what you meant to ask is how do you report them here, then you'd tell an administrator. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 07:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I left a note with Dreadnought also supplying a link to here and info on the matter Felinoel 15:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing to be done....Rohtul doesn't exactly edit much, and if he does something like this again I'll tell him not to. We don't go banning people for everything. If he does something like this repeatedly I'll block him. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 16:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
getting him watched is good enough for me Felinoel 02:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Muah. That was amusing. Thanks for defending me Vime, even though you shouldn't have. Sorry for wasting everyone's time. Rohtul Xel 02:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe in all this no-one noticed (or thought to mention) that RoXel is just a contraction of the "contributor's" user name. Endasil (Talk) @ 06:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] this page

i first would like to apologize to all, but as a long time obsessor of the gods and demigods of runescape, i must point out many errors in this page, what do you define as major and minor gods, for the 'minor' gods at one time were much more powerful then the 'major' gods and one even ruled over one that one was zaros, who was zamorak's leader, who zamorak backstabbed icthlarin is no god, he is a demigod, and he has many 'brothers' who are also demigods, he is related to amascut, just like how the three 'major' gods are related tumeken is not truly the father of these 'brothers and sister' but only in the way that they are 'brothers and sister' elidnis, the river elid is named after her, but only because she created it

also there is very little info in this, why? felinoel 08:46, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a wiki - anybody can edit - go ahead!!! --File:Smithingimg.PNG Eucarya Talk 08:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
yes i know, but i always prefer to bring up my thoughts before editing felinoel 08:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
ok i did an edit of one important thing, but i would like people to comment on the other things i said before i act on it felinoel 08:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know where you get your information from. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 10:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
my information is recieved mostly from in game references, god letters, and conversations with jagex mods (i only converse with jagex mods when a certain thing is unclear though, so the first two is where i get most my info)
oh and as for the itchlarin being a demigod thing, i just right clicked him and clicked examine and it told me he was a demigod Felinoel 19:02, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kunai Range

Is she a real god? Momento Mori Real PainNot Champagne

Oh nvm, just vandalism... Momento Mori Real PainNot Champagne


[edit] Desert Parthenon

Shouldn't it say desert PANTHEON instead? Pantheon means all gods. The Parthenon was devoted to one... 67.33.240.149 17:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fremennik Pantheon

What about the Fremennik Pantheon? It has been several years since I last played Runescape and I remember when this wiki looked terrible and no one seemed to care for it that much but I did write the first real guide to the gods, all others at the time were incomplete or incorrect, I gave it to a fansite... I wonder if it is still there... Anyways my knowledge came from the letters from the Gods, game play plot, and messaging those head admins, there was one that was really talkative, I think I copied some of his letters before they started saying you weren't allowed to do that, and Wikipedia called the article on gods fan fluff. Is Camelot's altar to Saradomin still backwards? Felinoel 20:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Evil Chicken?

Obviously the Fremennik idols are debatable in their god status...but the evil chicken? Although there's an altar to his lair in Zanaris, does that make him a god? It's been suggested that his following is an insane cult. Just because he has followers, that doesn't mean he's a god; look at Hazeel, who has his own following under Ardougne. There have already been logical explanations proposed for the chicken's existence, as seen in the book found on the Wise Old Man's shelf. I think it ought to be removed from the list. Morian Smith 20:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

...And now Hazeel's listed too. Input, someone? Morian Smith 23:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

  • In my opinion, the "idol" list should include beings worshipped as gods. Therefore, the Kendal, the Fossegrimen, the Evil Chicken and Hazeel. The Evil Chicken got a shrine, and the Chicken Book says that there is a cult worshipping it in Zanaris. Therefore, I think it qualifies as an idol. So does Hazeel, because he have a cult that worships him. Sure, they recognize that fact that he's a subject of Zamorak. Infact, they worship Zammy too - But still, they worship him. Feel free to remove him, I just feelt that he fitted in the idol section. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 08:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Oh, by the way.. Thanks for removing that strange section about Amascut. I thought it sounded weird.. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 09:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned in the Kendal article, I now agree that the he and the Fossegrimen ought to be included. I think that the Evil Chicken's being worshipped ought to be mentioned as well, although it ought to be made very clear that he is not a god. Maybe even include a "non-deities worshipped as gods" type section, where oddities like him can be kept; there are probably a few others we've yet to think of. I don't agree with Hazeel's inclusion because I don't think the cult that follows him sees him as a god or diety, but rather a poweful leader that they hope can help them in their Zamorakian goals. Morian Smith 15:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Ehm, I guess your right. I'm not very good at all this.. I specialised in goblins and Bandos you see, but then.. well, that field of research got very, very limited.. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 17:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Hey, don't sweat it. I'm really glad that someone else is interested in this and doing their best to contribute and research the history of RuneScape, especially on something so central as the gods. You've already done quite a bit of good with the Fremennik deities; proved me wrong, and I'm always happy to learn. This article is better for your help, we just need to give it some uniformity. =) Morian Smith 21:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unknown symbol

skele.png From which god is this symbol ? Svennoducko

You can see it in Armies of Gielinor (above green-bearded human-like god. Svennoducko

  • If you're going to follow the logic of the rest of the intro (Bandos symbol under ork-like being, Zamorak symbol under demon-like being, etc) then it should be.. well, the symbol of Guthix, I guess. Don't make any sense though. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 13:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

The signature could have stayed; the problem would be fixed once the temaplte has been fixed. Someone just needs to fix the template. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 14:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

But Armies of Gielinor plays during the God Wars, and Guthix didn't participate in the God Wars. Svennoducko

Guthix didn't, but he still had followers. They probably allied themselves with whoever they felt would bring "balance" at the time, or some other storyline mumbo-jumbo. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 14:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

That's true. It looks very much like Guthix' last known form. Svennoducko

  • Weren't Armies of Gielinor set in an alternative timeline or something like that? I don't remember that Seren and the Desert Gods fought in the God Wars.. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 14:43, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

See http://funorb.wikia.com/wiki/Armies_of_gielinor SvennoduckoTalk


  • 1, are you really sure that wikis know everything? *cough* 2, Seriously. There is >no< mention of Seren, Guthix and the Desert Gods fighting in the God Wars, which they do in Armies of Gielinor. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 15:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/God_wars#Combatants ? SvennoduckoTalk


  • The main article claims that Seren played a "minor" part of the the God Wars - She hid. In Armies of Gielinor, she actively fights. Also, I don't remember that the thzaar and Marimbo participated. Also, outside of AoG, Elidinis is the only desert god that is mentioned to have had anything to do with the God Wars. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 15:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Also, since when did the gnomes fight in the God Wars? And weren't the tortoise tamed first in the 4th age, and not the 3rd? The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 15:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


  • Funorb says it could be considered to have taken place in the God WARS
    • Gnomes hid underground, TzHaar under the Karamja Volcano
      • Please don't talk about the God Wars anymore, but about the symbol.

SvennoduckoTalk


1, Ehm.. What? I know it says "God Wars".. that's what every RuneScape source says too.. And I do know that they hid underground, the tzhaar and the gnomes I mean. That were my point, you know.. 2, Kinda hard to discuss the symbol. It's below the figure of a man with green beard, which really sounds like Guthix, although we know it's not his symbol. The great goblin historian Anton, Wannabe Historian The great goblin historian 16:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


RuneHQ recently had an interview with Paul Gower, in this interview, the following was question was asked:

What changes, if any, has the concept art had on the development of a story line? Sometimes we get concept art with elements we don’t expect and then have to decide if we are going to change story to match it. When I came up with the idea of Guthix, I never expected him to take the form of a tentacled skull!

A confirmation of this tentacled skull can be found in the god letters: http://www.runescape.com/img/newsletter/guthix.jpg

The skull really is connected to Guthix.--Madmarkx 18:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Flamtaer

There is no source in-game that Flamtaer is a god, it's only the name of the temple. DobbelB 21:18, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

  • "The temple is most likely early pagan and devoted to elemental power.", "Temple to the North, is known to the locals as "Flamtaer" holds an interesting story. Local superstition talks about pagan rites and a sacred flame which could 'hold for permanance'. Was said to be involved in marriage cermonies due to "mystical aura".", "Heard some further superstitious nonsense regarding a "sacred-flame" were Flamtaer stood."

So, from this we can conclude that in ancient times (Ancient times, so most is likely forgotten) something were worshipped in a temple now known as Flamtaer. Lets theorize; 4 millenia ago, there were small temple in your home town's fringes, were a deity known as Flamtaer were worshipped - So, the temple were known as The temple of Flamtaer. During these four millenias, the worship of Flamtaer decline severely, and eventually fell into the grey mists of history. In your lifetime, the temple were only thought to be some random ruin, called Flamtaer by the locals. Sounds like a possibility to me. Also, we can't deny the fact that something divine were worshipped in Mort'ton. As we don't have a confirmed name for it, I consider it correct to call it Flamtaer, as it's temple were known as that. Antonstaen 10:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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