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Might this be a reference to H.P Lovecraft?--76.208.58.137 23:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

If so, it's a rather oblique reference at best. WWTDD? 23:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Elder God identity.

With the new information about the Elder Gods from the Ga'al we can identify the Elder gods now.

The rocky Elder god is Jas, and the molten Elder god is Ful, leaving the "Nature" Elder god as the unknown one. They all appear to be female. Gurluas (talk) 22:09, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Can you provide a link to the website/place/whatever where you got the info please? Draconis E ^Talk 07:16, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

See TzHaar-Ga'al-Kot/dialogue. 134.58.179.35 08:27, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Is it confirmed that the three Elder Gods in the Origins of Gielinor are the only Elder Gods that exist, or merely the only three Elder Gods responsible for creating Gielinor? If it's the former, then the Freneskae-Creator God is the nature one by default as the only Elder God left. If it's the latter, then there are at least 4 Elder Gods, which are apprently split into different factions. Maybe we'll be getting an Elder God war? 04ismailjj6 (talk) 09:44, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Freneskae-Creator is unrelated to Gielinor and had a different idea of the whole creation thing according to Mod Osborne. Gurluas (talk) 18:27, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

It was stated in a Q&A, (world wake, if I remember) That there are more than 3 Elder Gods. only three were responsible for creating the universe. Mod Osborne did confirm the Freneskae-Creator God to be an elder, but he stated he wasn't part in creating the Universe. 66.229.206.111 01:45, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Gender

Is it confirmed the Elder Gods are female? It's mentioned in Dragonkin Journal's that Jas is male, and we already know NPCs can be unreliable in interpreting their gods. I figured the Tokhaar called the Elder Gods female because the Elder Gods created the Tokhaar so the Tokhaar view the Elder Gods as mothers. I wouldn't be surprised if later lore confirms the Elder Gods as genderless beings, similr to how Guthix was always 'it' in the earlier God letters. Anyway, since we don't have confirmation whether, Kerapac of TokHaar takes precedence in the lore, I think we should refer to the Elder Gods as 'it' until we get confirmation from a Mod or other in-game content. 04ismailjj6 (talk) 09:36, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

The Nature Elder God has boobs. And the Tokhaar were in direct contact with the Elder God, they would refer to them as "it" unless they were sure. Gurluas (talk) 18:26, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I fail to see my self where is proof of their Gender being Female by teh Mods, I recomand keeping Jas Gender as a he, until it is proven other wise by the mods. 66.229.206.111 01:59, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Concept art

That concept art of an unidentified elder god must be either Ful or Freneskae Creator God, otherwise it might be Freneskae creator god, due to it's dark appearance.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.62.68.147 (talk) on 18:26, November 8, 2013.

I disagree... we were told there are 5 elder gods in total (all female... so.. they should actually be called elder goddesses, anyway...). All we know is that Jas can be reasoned with, unlike the one on the concept art that you talk about. tl;dr: 5 elder gods in total, this isn't Jas, we dunno which one this is. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 19:18, November 8, 2013 (UTC) 

The elder goddess concept is certainly the Freneskae creator god. Can you see how dark that creature is? There is no proof, but when confirmation comes, We will know. Not many will disagree. 83.79.52.30 (Talk)

Yes... when they confirm... no-one will deny. I also think it's likely that it's the Freneskae creator god, but that's because I think we might see her during the Fate of the Gods quest... which will feature Freneskae.  . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 08:18, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Killed

The new jagex wiki page states that they cannot be killed. http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Gods/Hierarchy Time to update our article, or not? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 13:23, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

It also states that tier two gods are able to become incorporeal, making a certain quest even more implausible. Honestly, the page is nothing special. Temujin 14:06, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

What did I miss? Zaros did that; Guthix could but chose to die; and Seren shattered herself into tiny pieces. What quest does that statement make implausible? And according to the page history on the other page that was added (and mentioned in the same note in the news post) the information here comes straight from Obsorne; so now he and Ollie agree on the matter? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 14:34, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe he means The Temple at Senntisten, there you can see Zaros "chat head", didn't really look that ghosty, imo. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 14:46, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

How does that statement make that invalid? If it did, there'd be complaints first about it due to the upcoming Zaros quest, where the player is tasked to find a suitable host body for Zaros... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 14:52, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

It doesn't really. But I can see how ppl might think he's not without a body and how that could be a problem somehow, and how people might draw other conclusions with it. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 15:08, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Elder Halls Image

I'm just suggesting that it may be a good idea to add an image of the Elder Halls. I'm not exactly sure where, just suggesting the idea. Thanks!

User:Jace Keni/Signature 03:11, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Who created it?

it must be powerful than the elder gods itself, and might be the next tier of godhood; tier 0

hence it could be like the concept of true God, supreme being, the omnipotent, and not just a power wielder(or live-ignorant like elder god, who only create plane to sustain themselves). A concept that ussually found in Monotheistic religion. If not, maybe jagex want to create a more paganic concept or pantheism.

still, maybe rs universe is different than ours. there might be no True God at All, just a concept of infinity universe

What do you think?Realmguard23 (talk) 00:41, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Rather than being been created, don't the Elder Gods just 'exist'? There not being any more powerful entity, and no 'true god'? IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 04:23, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

I forgot where, but it was listed in the article, the elder gods were created. Well, there's always the problem of infinite regress, I like how it mirrors the real world 'first cause' debates/ideas. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 15:04, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, not even a minute's work, source:

"Orodalf said: 6. In the most recent BtS video, Mod Mark calls the Elder Gods 'the creatures that created the world.' In other words, the Elder Gods were themselves created. Who created them?"

"Mod Osborne said: The Elder Gods were created. We know how this happened, which will form a strand of the Elder God storyline. It's likely that a number of Elder Gods lived before those that created Gielinor, if that helps."

This seems to me to suggest that what they mean with 'creation' is basically the elder god babies hatching and feeding from the anima mundi of their birth planet. It may look/sound like an even more powerful being actually created them, but he's clearly talking about the 5 elder gods of this 'cycle', the other elder gods before their 'great revisions' would be their parents. Sorry but the Münchhausen trilemma hasn't been solved :P . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 15:10, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

And everyone is happy I don't join the lore discussions. So much for my memory... IP83.101.44.209 (talk) 15:22, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

idk what you're talking about, I love it when more people join in, you included. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 14:52, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

first, would you mind to teach my how to make a new paragraph? i mean like i first typed before...

yeah, and if that so, jagex seems to make that concept of morality is came from mortal, and the "True power-wielder ", i mean the elder god, had nothing to do with morality. Realmguard23 (talk) 02:05, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

I shall go to your talk page and ask you to clarify it a bit more, I'm not sure of what you're asking about making ew paragraphs.

Secondly, yes, I think so too. The Elder gods seem to be true immortals (although, idk how/why or why they would want to procreate, etc.). All other live is basically mortal - including Seren and Zaros, so Seren's Dark Lord assumption is basically quite false. Some life is created by the (can only be done by Elder Gods) - like Zaros/Seren, Mahjarat/Muspah, and maybe some more -, but most life is just like the life on Earth: evolved. I wonder if Elder gods could even create immortal-life besides procreating. It's an interesting idea, I would think/like they cannot. . . . _Yours, Enquidou ^Talk . . 14:52, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Those tier 0 gods mentioned by realmguard exist. We call them J-mods. Rsshadow (talk) 23:31, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

An Elder God? Or something more?

Gonna say 'spoilers' here, but Zaros mentions at the end of The Light Within that the Elder Halls possess 6 memories "Five of form, and one of... something else. The Elder Gods." Trunkuza (talk) 22:09, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Plot twist, what if Vorago is an elder god? But seriously, I wonder as well what he meant by that. Salix of Prifddinas ^(Talk) 22:53, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Wasn't the Catalyst (Stone of Jas) an unhatched Elder God Egg manipulated by Jas? Rsshadow (talk) 23:15, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

It's an elder artefact made by Jas afaik. Salix of Prifddinas ^(Talk) 00:06, August 27, 2015 (UTC)