# Summoning training

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Summoning training can become very expensive and tedious, but familiars at higher levels make Summoning a rewarding skill. A recent update has allowed F2P Players to gain xp up to level 5 and continue to collect Gold charms after level 5, which may be useful if you intend on becoming P2P eventually. All F2P parts of this guide will be shown with "(F2P)" beside it.

## Starting (F2P)Edit

Main article: Starting Summoning

To begin training the Summoning skill, players may complete Wolf Whistle, (not required anymore) which will grant 276 experience to Summoning (increasing the player's level to 4), as well as 275 gold charms (enough for level 16, or 5 on F2P). After that you will have to collect your own charms. Look below for information on how to do that.

F2P can collect additional Gold charms from saving Nora in Burthorpe from a burning fire (awards you with a one-time reward of 10 charms), collecting one free Gold Charm sample from Pikkupstix's store or by killing Troll Brutes and Troll Chuckers in Burthorpe

## QuestsEdit

Players may complete certain quests and activities to receive summoning experience, including Penguin Hide and Seek, the Tears of Guthix Distraction and Diversion, Troll Invasion, and certain quest lamps (usually require you to reach level 30 first to get Summoning exp). Using non-charm methods of leveling gives experience, and allows players to save valuable charms for use in higher level familiars.

## Pouches (F2P)Edit

The only viable way of training Summoning is to create Summoning pouches. To begin making a Summoning pouch, the following are required:

• An empty pouch, which can be bought from Pikkupstix for 1 gp each. (Not required for Summoning within Daemonheim)
• A quantity of charms, which must be collected by the player through monster killing and other methods. Good ways to do this are listed below.
• A large number of spirit shards, which can be bought from Pikkupstix for 25 gp each or you can buy a set of 5000 for 125k. (Not required for Summoning within Daemonheim), Spirit Shards can also be bought at the Grand Exchange, which has a bank next to it. Though the guide price is not always 25, it is rare that anyone will sell it for anything less than that.
• A tertiary ingredient which is specific to the creature you are creating, similar to the secondary ingredients used in Herblore.

## Spirit ShardsEdit

With the use of Bogrog, the pouches you make can be turned back into shards; the number of shards returned to you is 70% of the pouch cost. With this in mind, you can drastically reduce the number of shards you have to originally buy by continually converting the pouches you make back into shards.

## Obtaining Charms (P2P)Edit

Players attempting to train summoning should kill monsters that drop lots of crimson charms, as they are the best for experience.

Monsters vary greatly in the number and type of charms they drop.

Once weekly, the Familiarisation Distraction and Diversion can be done, which gives a reward of 40 minutes of triple charm drops. It is recommended to use this time by killing a monster that drops a lot of crimson charms.

If you have 21 Summoning and spent some time training Dungeoneering, you can buy a charming imp, which automatically picks up requested charms and converts unwanted charms into small Summoning experience. This can increase the rate of gathering charms significantly and it increases the amount of Combat or Slayer experience earned (per hour).  It is highly encouraged to configure the imp to give the player all types of charms; the experience rewarded for converting the charms is much lower than the amount offered by using the charms to make pouches.

The Fang of Mohegan may also be used to provide a slight possibility of a double charm drop.

See here for a table of monsters which drop charms.

### SlayerEdit

The fastest way to level summoning is to camp at a monster that drops lots of charms, such as Waterfiends or Rock Lobsters. However, it is also common for players to get charms from training Slayer rather than from camping at a specific monster. It is possible to get enough charms for 99 Summoning by getting 99 Slayer, although it depends on what tasks the player does. If a player is going for 99 in both skills, there is no need for them to camp at a monster specifically for charms. However, if a player does not want to do Slayer, or is unable to obtain all the charms that they want purely from Slayer, then there are several monsters that are very good to camp at for charms.

### Gelatinous AbominationEdit

Gelatinous Abominations have around a 44% charm drop rate. They drop gold charms at a rate of around 41%. The Gelatinous Abominations have only 150 life points and are level 6 so they are really quick and easy kills. The only equipment required are spiked gauntlets, which can be purchased at any Slayer Master. These monsters are found in the Taverley Slayer Dungeon, south-east of Turael (or Spria) in Taverley. Killing these are a great way for anyone to obtain gold charms, but no drops of great value can be obtained, and the combat experience gained is little.

### Rock CrabsEdit

Rock crabs have a 13% charm drop rate, 10% of which are gold charms. This can be an efficient way for lower levelled players with some extra cash to obtain charms, and get some decent exp. You should also run around and activate all the crabs since they don't attack and won't be able to be attacked unless someone runs next to them. If they stop attacking you, just run south of the crabs, right past the helmet shop and then run back up. This can be a great way for lower levels to obtain charms and get ranged exp. You can get around 3-5 charms per minute if done correctly.

This is not recommended unless you don't mind spending money to buy cannonballs, since they're very expensive!

### Moss giantsEdit

Moss Giants are great for gold charms, about 40% drop rate. They have very low defence and slow attack speed making them easy to power through even at low levels. North West of Ardougne has 4 Moss Giants and it is more often than not, empty. Other popular places include the Varrock sewer system and Moss Giant Island.  For almost guaranteed seclusion (as well as a pretty view) there are also some Moss Giants on Crandor (the island where your ship crashes during Dragon Slayer). Finally, a decent amount of moss giants can be found in the dungen south of Brimhaven (requires 875 coins to enter). This area will almost always be empty.

### Ice giantsEdit

Ice Giants are great for gold charms, about 55-57% drop rate for charms. They have relatively low defence and slow attack speed making them easy to power through even at low levels. Two places to find Ice Giants are in the ice mountain dungeon and in the Asgarnian Ice Dungeon. There is also a location where they spawn next to the western wilderness wall and the members fence line. Although being in the deep wilderness it is not recommended .

### GoblinsEdit

Goblins have an 11% gold charm drop. The best way to kill goblins is to go to the goblin hut in Lumbridge. It is a bad idea to bring a slow weapon like a godsword, battleaxe, or 2H, as you cannot hit very quickly, resulting in slow progress. A weapon like a whip, scimitar, dagger or claws are ideal so you can do 20-30+ goblins and obtain 2-3 charms per minute. If you camp for an hour, you can easily get 50+ charms. This is not recommended if you cannot frequently hit 50-120 damage.

Note: The goblins across the River Lum near the Al-Kharid gate have 67 LP, keep that in mind when choosing what weapon to use to get one-hit kills (scimitar works best most of the time). The goblins found in the Goblin Village do not drop any charms at all, so it is not advised to go there.

### Giant rock crabsEdit

Giant rock crabs can be the best monster to get gold charms from. They drop three of these at a time quite frequently. The giant rock crabs are just located in the Chaos Tunnels, near the entrance southwest of the Wilderness Volcano. It is recommended to use Magic to kill Giant rock crabs, since it is their weakness. Bring a few pieces of food, runes for the spell you'll be using, and also some runes for telekinetic grab (if using the standard spellbook). There's a safespot by the stalagmites in the northeast corner of the room.

Walk near a boulder and it will transform into a giant rock crab. Lure it to your safespot so it gets stuck and you can safely mage it. When near death, the giant rock crab will attempt to flee. Once the crab is dead, it's recommended to use telekinetic grab on the charms so you wont put yourself at danger by going near some other crabs.

Ice Burst or Ice Barrage can be used effectively here. Use Protect from melee or Deflect melee and gather all the crabs at a spot so that you can burst or barrage them. This method gives the most charms per hour.

A disadvantage to killing giant rock crabs is that the charms gained are mostly gold, which are the lowest level charm. Comparatively, the charms that can be gained in a given time period from killing giant rock crabs will not give as much summoning experience as the charms that can be gained in the same time period killing a monster that drops mainly higher level charms, such as waterfiends or rock lobsters. Giant rock crabs should only be killed at low level summoning when gold charms are most useful, and even then, it is important to realise that since charms can be saved up, it probably would be more worth your time to just start at a monster that drops primarily crimson charms right away, since you will end up getting gold charms to make it through the low summoning levels anyway, at the same time as you save up tons of crimsons to use later.

### Black demonsEdit

With the introduction of infernal ashes, killing black demons became another reasonable method of gathering crimson charms. The ashes cover the cost of the cannon balls and other consumables. At higher levels, such as with 70 agility, 52/68/96 summoning, a chaotic weapon, and 80+ combat stats, a player can amass profit above 200k per hour on top of the crimson charms. High ranged levels help too, as demons are weak to bolts.

### Rock lobstersEdit

Killing rock lobsters is often considered to be the fastest way to train Summoning, although waterfiends can actually be faster than bursting with the optimal levels and equipment, including 99 Summoning for a Steel Titan. Rock lobsters do not require a high Summoning level to kill quickly.

The best way to kill rock lobsters is to use Ice Barrage or Ice Burst since they are aggressive. There are many different ways to do this successfully, most of which involve luring 9 rock lobsters towards you while using Protect from Melee or Deflect Melee, moving to a safe spot, then casting the spells to kill them. Armour that gives high magic and/or prayer bonuses is recommended. Most of your inventory should be Prayer potions, but you will also want runes for ice spells, and a few blood spells (to heal, as you can take damage from Dagannoths using a ranged attack). Also bring a teleport and a few pieces of food.

You need at least one partner to get to rock lobsters. See the Waterbirth Island article for more information.

Players attempting to use this method to kill Rock lobsters should have 70+ (preferably 94+) magic, and 70+ prayer. They should also have a large amount of cash, as this method does cost a significant amount of money due to the runes and prayer potions used.

Ice bursting Rock lobsters can give over 150 crimson charms per hour, whereas ice barraging can give up to 200 crimson charms per hour.

To further improve the number of Crimson charms players get and how many runes they use, many players choose to use damage increasing variables such as the staff of light, arcane stream necklace, arcane blast necklace or arcane pulse necklace as well as the Wolpertinger special move, Magic Focus which gives the same boosting effects as the extreme magic potion.

### WaterfiendsEdit

Waterfiends, like Rock lobsters, are very good to kill for crimson charms. Waterfiends are cheaper to kill because magic is not needed, and waterfiends can potentially be even faster for crimson charms than rock lobsters. However, the best kill rates of waterfiends can only be obtained with very high levels including 99 summoning and equipment such as the Royal Crossbow or 2h Crossbows due to their weakness to Bolts.

Waterfiends can be killed in the Ancient Cavern, or in the Chaos Tunnels.

Waterfiends have a ranged attack and a magic attack. The ranged attack is more dangerous. Players should wear mage defence armour (Karil's or royal d'hide) and use the Protect from Missiles or Deflect Missiles prayer. Ganodermic may also be used, but is not recommended due to the cost and expensive repair costs. Players with 68 or higher Summoning may use the Bunyip familiar's scroll (swallow whole), to consume the raw sharks and raw lobsters dropped by the waterfiends. Waterfiends are weak against bolts. The best weapons to use are the Royal Crossbow, Dual Chaotic Crossbows or your best Crossbow and off-hand Crossbow,

Many high level players will use a Unicorn stallion's healing aura scroll, so they do not have to use prayer, except in the Chaos Tunnels. Others prefer to use the Turmoil and Soul Split prayers to avoid using a unicorn stallion familiar. The extreme potions from Herblore also come in handy here. These methods are only beneficial with 95+ melee stats, 80+ prayer, 90+ range and mage, and 88+ summoning. This higher-level method will lead to 100-140 crimson charms per hour in the Ancient Cavern.

In the Chaos Tunnels, for upwards of 200 crimson charms per hour, extreme potions (89 or 90 Herblore) and maxed combat skills (with 95+ prayer) are required. However, this method can be used at lower levels as well, resulting in approximately the same amount of crimson charms per hour as bursting rock lobsters. For both methods level 95+ summoning is strongly recommended, since the Iron and Steel titans are capable of doing massive damage with their special attacks. Players will need high level equipment (Karil's and a Zamorakian spear) with a high defence against magic bonus. It is a very hard, but very rewarding method, and is definitely not for everyone. A generic inventory would contain a couple combat-boosting potions, high level food (Monkfish or above), and 200+ Iron within or Steel of legends scrolls, leaving the rest to be filled with prayer potions and one emergency teleport. Alternatively, the food and prayer potions can be replaced with Saradomin brews and Super restore potions.

### BorkEdit

Bork can be killed once per 24-hour period beginning at 00:00(UTC), and has guaranteed charm drops. The minimum he will drop on death is 5 blue, 7 crimson and 2 green charms. Wearing a Ring of wealth adds 3 crimson and 1 green to the base total, and completing all of the Varrock Tasks leads to the base charm drop being doubled. The Familiarisation D&D will not triple these charm drops.

Drop quantity
Icon Name Default
Blue charm 5 5 10 10
Crimson charm 7 10 14 17
Green charm 2 3 4 5

As Bork can be killed daily, the number of charms that slowly mount up can significantly enhance the pool of charms that a player may amass through other methods, or even become the primary source of charms for players that only want to train Summoning on a casual basis.

### Tormented demons/GlacorsEdit

Tormented demons are excellent monsters for obtaining blue charms. On average, around 3 charms per 2 kills will be obtained. A strategy guide can be found here .

Glacors are also excellent monsters for obtaining blue and crimson charms. They drop 3 per kill and have roughly the same percent chance of dropping blue or crimson. A strategy guide can be found here.

### Greater demonsEdit

Using a Dwarf multicannon on the 10 greater demons in the Forinthry Dungeon can net 200+ crimson charms an hour. It is recommended to bring Prayer urns to collect the mass amount of Accursed Ashes that will be dropped, which will give prayer experience as well as greatly cleaning up the drops on the ground. The Forinthry Dungeon is in the Wilderness, the greaters within located in level 20-24, so if using this method, it is recommended to have a teleport item handy (such as an Amulet of Glory), and do not bring anything you are not willing to lose.

Warning: Dying in the wilderness will cause you to drop ALL of your items.

### HellhoundsEdit

Hellhounds, while not advised for green, crimson or blue charms, have a 68-69% drop rate for gold charms and can be safespotted in most of their locations. If you have high enough ranged or magic skill to swiftly kill them, you can quickly collect gold charms in safety. Unfortunately, hellhounds have very poor drops and aren't profitable (not counting the rewards of any possible clue scrolls you may find). An alternative for gold charms are fire giants with around 55% drop rate for gold charms and they are much easier to kill with additional good loot.

### Cave bugEdit

Cave bugs have a 40% green charm drop rate, the second highest in game after mithril dragons.They are level 18 and fairly easy to kill. Note only the level 18 ones drop charms, level 6 cave bugs drop no charms at all.

With dragon or better armour and an abyssal whip, one can easily achieve 40+ green charms an hour at levels 70 attack and 70 strength.The only place to kill them is the Dorgesh-Kaan South Dungeon , where there's a convenient fishing spot where you can fish for frogspawns and a fairy ring nearby.

### King Black DragonEdit

With high melee stats (preferably 90+, Turmoil, Soul Split, and unicorn stallion) it is possible to obtain over 115 crimson charms an hour, while making about 350-500k an hour profit. This can be a rather attractive way to obtain charms for high-leveled players as the charm-obtaining rate is very good while are making profit rather than losing a lot from bursting rock lobsters.

However, this method requires the ability to make super anti-fire potions, so players can use an off-hand weapon or 2h weapon rather than a dragonfire shield in order to increase its efficiency.

### Kalphite Queen or exiledEdit

With high combat stats, it is possible to obtain various charms per hour, while making a profit of 600-800k per hour. This is helpful as the Queen drops various charms, with the exiled version dropping much more than the regular variant. The regular Queen drops 6 charms, while the Exiled one drops 9.

However, the Queen is very tough and has several guards, so players may need to rebank much more often.

### Exiled kalphite guardiansEdit

Exiled kalphite guardians drop blue charms at a very high rate. This makes it incredibly fast and easy to obtain blues without completing high level quests for tormented demons or glacors.

### Troll brute and Troll chucker (F2P)Edit

These are the only two monsters that drop charms on non-members worlds. They only drop Gold charms on these worlds, and rarely drop Green, Crimson and Blue charms on members worlds. They are only level 2 monsters which make them ideal for lower leveled players. Average and high leveled members have much better ways to get charms.

### Ascension membersEdit

These monsters come in four varieties, which each one is dominant in one type of charm, and another charm being uncommon to the dominant charm.

• Rorarius - mainly drops Gold charms.
• Capsarius - mainly drops Green charms.
• Gladius - mainly drops Crimson charms, blue charms uncommon.
• Scutarius - mainly drops Blue charms, crimson charms slightly the same as blue.
• Legiones - mainly drops high-level charms.

### FiremakingEdit

When adding logs to a bonfire, fire spirits sometimes arise from the flames. A common reward for freeing them is charms of all four types. Free players cannot obtain any charms, not even Gold, from bonfires.

### Hunter Edit

There are 2 ways to collect charms using the hunter skill: spirit implings, which require level 54 hunter, and charm sprites, which require 72 hunter. Spirit implings are hard to find and only gives charms some of the times as they also give other summoning supplies, primarily tertiary items. Charm sprites are notable for giving a high blue charm output compared to the total number of charms, and provides a good alternative to skillers.

## Which pouches to makeEdit

Note: The number in parentheses is the number of pouches it takes for the xp between those levels.

Level Charm
Gold Green Crimson Blue
1-4 Save Save Save Save
16-22 Granite crab (134)
22-28 Granite crab (241) Spirit Tz-Kih (54) or save
28-32 Save Compost mound (114) Spirit Tz-Kih (59) or save
32-33 Compost mound (36) Honey badger (13)
33-40 Beaver (398) Honey badger (163)
40-41 Bull Ant (75) Or Save Beaver (69) Honey badger (29)
41-46 Bull Ant (386) Or Save Macaw (371) Honey badger (191)
46-47 Bull Ant (123) Or Save Macaw (328) Pyrelord (36)
47-49 Bull Ant (315) Or Save Magpie (200) Pyrelord (82)
49-52 Bull Ant (384) Or Save Magpie (384) Bloated leech (149)
52-56 Spirit terrorbird (883) Magpie (726) Bloated leech (281)
56-57 Spirit terrorbird (281) Ibis (195) Bloated leech (90)
57-58 Spirit terrorbird (311) Ibis (215) Bloated leech (99) Spirit kyatt (43) or Spirit graahk (43)
58-61 Spirit terrorbird (1,138) Ibis (788) Bloated leech (362) Spirit kyatt (156), Spirit graahk (156) or Save
61-64 Spirit terrorbird (1,532) Ibis (1,060) Smoke devil (391) Spirit kyatt (209), Spirit graahk (209) or save
64-66 Spirit terrorbird (1,305) Ibis (904) Stranger plant (317) Spirit kyatt (178), Spirit graahk (178) or save
66-69 Barker toad (1,975) Ibis (1,739) Stranger plant (611) Mithril minotaur (283) or save
69-73 Barker toad (3,734) Fruit bat (2,681) Stranger plant (1,154) Mithril minotaur (560) or save
73-74 Barker toad (1,189) Fruit bat (853) Stranger plant (368) Obsidian golem (161)
74-79 Barker toad (8,076) Fruit bat (5,797) Granite lobster (2,158) Obsidian golem (1,094)
79-80 Barker toad (2,153) Fruit bat (1,546) Granite lobster (576) Fire titan (270) or Moss titan (270)
80-83 Barker toad (7,898) Hydra (4,880) Granite lobster (2,111) Fire titan (989) or Moss titan (989)
83-85 Barker toad (6,730) Hydra (4,159) Granite lobster (1,799) Lava titan (802)
85-88 Barker toad (12,957) Hydra (8,006) Swamp titan (3,018) Lava titan (1,544)
88-89 Barker toad (5,248) Unicorn stallion (2,957) Swamp titan (1,222) Lava titan (626)
89-92 Barker toad (19,253) Unicorn stallion (10,849) Swamp titan (4,484) Geyser titan (2,139)
92-95 Barker toad (25,912) Unicorn stallion (14,601) Wolpertinger (5,569) or
Swamp titan (6,035), see below
Geyser titan (2,879)
95-96 Barker toad (10,495) Unicorn stallion (5,914) Iron titan (2,187) Geyser titan (1,166)
96-99 Barker toad (38,505) Unicorn stallion (21,696) Pack yak (7,931) Geyser titan (4,278)
Level Gold Green Crimson Blue
Charm
• DISCLAIMER! - These are only recommendations, you should be very careful when deciding what pouches to make for summoning, as prices change, and some pouches may only be good to make at certain times if you are wishing to get a summoning cape for a relatively low cost.
• 58-69 with blue charms can be replaced with Karamthulhu overlords, but they only give 8xp more than Spirit graahk or Spirit kyatt, and make much less money.
• It is best if you can save Blue charms until level 89 and make Geyser titans, since they give the most experience per blue charm.
• Some people choose to stop using Gold charms at around level 66 because the xp rate is around 230-240k xp/h which makes it expensive for the xp gained and not worth the time.
• Some people choose to stop using Green charms at around level 80 because the xp rate varies from 370-420k xp/h which is expensive for the xp gained and not worth the time. From level 80-99, Crimson charms are 870k-1.145m xp/h and Blue charms are 1.187m-2.120m xp/h which is much more cost efficient than using Green charms.
• Wolpertinger pouches require two items (wolf bones and raw rabbit) and therefore cause people to choose swamp titans over them. However, it is very difficult to make back both the amount of potential "lost" exp and lost money (as wolpertingers are both cheaper to make and grant more exp per charm) in the amount of time that is saved by choosing swamp titans. Swamp titans should not be made at this level unless the player either does not care about how much charms/gp is consumed and/or simply does not want the extra time spent when using the charms.

## How to Make PouchesEdit

The uncharged pouches update has been reverted. Players may train Summoning by creating pouches at the obelisk as normal.

When making pouches, you should have the charms you are using, the unmade pouches, the spirit shards, and 25 of the tertiary ingredient.

Players who haven't completed Swan Song may find it best to use the obelisk in Taverley, as it is the closest to a bank.

Below level 57 summoning, it is best to use phoenix lair teleports and run north-east to the Piscatoris summoning obelisk, as it is only a short distance away, and phoenix lair teleports are relatively cheap. You could also use the fairy ring to bank in Zanaris. If you have not done Swan Song, you may also use the Obelisk at Pikkupstix and bank in Taverley. Because these methods require a lot of running, you may want to have any weight reducing equipment you own equipped. You may also choose to use a familiar to hold more items, or use a Spirit terrorbird for infinite run. Another good strategy would be to have a house at Taverley, using House Teleports and rings of duelling, games necklaces, or a Ring of kinship (unlimited teleports) to teleport. This requires running from the house teleport portal to Pikkupstix's house and repeating. It is now more effective to use a house teleport, run to Taverley bank, and then to the obelisk since a large lake is located between the house portal and the obelisk.

Should the player not wish to spend money on Kyatt pouches, they can use the nature grotto in Mort Myre Swamp. This method requires a Tokkul-Zo, access to the Fairy Ring Network, and the Mort Myre shortcut unlocked from Temple Trekking (Total follower level 100). Start at the Fight cave bank, and use the fairy ring to Canifis (code C•K•S). Run south and go through the Mort Myre gate, shortcutting to the Nature Spirit grotto. Make the pouches in the grotto, and bank using the Tokkul-Zo. This method is slower than using a Spirit Kyatt, but faster than running to Pikkupstix's house in Taverley.

Above level 57 summoning, you should use Spirit kyatt pouches as a teleport near the Piscatoris summoning obelisk, and use a tokkul-zo or rings of duelling to bank. Using this method it is possible to make over 2700 pouches an hour, making it the fastest way to train summoning. Due to the agility update, all you need to have equipped is your teleport ring. Use your kyatt to get near the summoning obelisk, and then run north. Alternative free, but slower, banking methods (if the Tokkul-zo is not available) are a ring of kinship, amulet of glory or Burthorpe lodestone.

It is also possible to use the Balloon Transport System to make pouches in Taverley. Equip a hatchet and a ring of duelling, take a balloon to Taverley, make pouches, then teleport to the bank at Castle Wars. You'll use one inventory space for logs (which you can cut at Castle Wars next to the balloon site), but won't need anything else equipped as running is not a problem.

## How many Spirit Shards do I buy?Edit

With the use of Bogrog, you can turn the pouches you make back into spirit shards; the amount of shards you get is usually 70% of the required shard number for the pouch. Utilising this, the amount of shards you need to initially buy can be drastically reduced, however the effectiveness of this varies greatly with number of shards you initially have and the amount of times you are willing to exchange your pouches.

The formula which calculates the effective number of shards you own is as follows

$\sum_{i=1}^{n}S\times0.7^{\ i-1}$

S = initial amount of shards
n = number of trips done to Bogrog
i = parameter

The calculator below can be used for this summation for any integer S, 0 ≤ S ≤ 2,147,483,647 and any integer N, 1 ≤ N ≤ 100:

 template  = Calculator:Bogrog shards
form      = CalcForm
result    = CalcResult
param     = S|Initial shards|0|int
param     = N|Trips to Bogrog|1|int

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However, it becomes tedious to recalculate this continuously to find the required number of shards you need initially. It is much easier to first decide how many trips to Bogrog you are willing to do as the amount of trips dictates what percentage increase you will ultimately get (regardless of initial count). The increases can be seen below:

Trips Percentage Increase Divide by
00%1.00
170%1.70
2119%2.19
3153%2.53
4177%2.77
5194%2.94
6206%3.06
7214%3.14
8220%3.20
9224%3.24
10227%3.27
15229%3.29
20230%3.30
25231%3.31
30232%3.32

The maximum possible number to divide by is 3 and a third (3.33). As shown in the table, to get close to this number requires many trips.

Let's say you needed 55,000 shards to attain a certain level, the first thing you do need to decide upon is how many times you would be willing to visit Bogrog which will usually be 10 times, any more than this the gain in shards is minimal; for example doing 20 trips instead of 10 when having an initial starting shard count of 100,000 only yields an extra 6,405 shards. The amount of trips you are willing to do is something you have to decide.

At 10 trips, the increase is 227% so the effective amount will be 327% of the initial amount, or 3.27 times the initial amount. You then divide 55,000 by 3.27 to get 16,820 (rounded up). Therefore, to effectively have 55,000 shards whilst willing to do 10 trips to Bogrog you only initially need to have 16,820 Spirit shards.

Note: Calculations can conveniently be performed with the software available on one's computer.

Alternatively one could buy as many spirit shards as desired and sell the extras to a Summoning shop for the same price that they were purchased for.

## What to do with the pouches (F2P)Edit

Some options only work well with some pouches, some only work well depending on prices. You should analyse the data and figure out what is the best option for you.

Method Benefits Drawbacks
Sell to Grand Exchange. Works for almost every pouch and will generally get a fair price. Sometimes you may be forced to wait for pouches to sell.
Trade to Bogrog for Spirit shards. (P2P) Can sometimes save you money over the Grand Exchange. Needs a higher level than what is required to make the pouch.
Cast the High Level Alchemy spell on them. Can be a good way to train Magic cheaply. * Requires more effort and time that you can spend training Summoning.
• Many pouches make more cash by selling
• Many other items are more profitable to alch than any pouch
Use the pouches for skilling or combat. Often this will be a great way to make lots of money off training Summoning. * Takes a long time to pay out and will require a lot more capital invested in Summoning.
• Selling and employing the cash, then buying back when needed, may be more efficient.
Make summoning scrolls from the pouches. You gain a slight bit more experience/charm. In many cases the given scrolls will also be worth slightly more than the pouches. The extra time required to turn pouches into scrolls may not be worth the trivially small extra amount of experience.

## Other important informationEdit

• Why aren't Arctic bears listed?
• Arctic bears only give slightly more experience per pouch than barker toads, but they cost much more. Gold charm pouches are in general relatively cheap (in accordance with how much experience they give.) Because of this, there is really no reason to make Arctic bears, unless you want them for their teleport and hunter bonuses, even then it may be better to make and sell barker toads and buy Arctic bears.
• Why aren't any abyssal pouches listed?
• Why aren't talon beast pouches listed?
• Although talon beast pouch is the single pouch that give the most experience in game, in order to make talon beast pouches, talon beast charms are needed. The only way to obtain these charms is to play Temple Trekking activity over and over again in hope to encounter nail beasts which drops them. If players have talon beast charms then it is recommended that they use them, but talon beast charms usually take more effort to obtain than any other charm in-game, therefore it is not recommended to list talon beast pouches as your only option to gain experience.
• Why does it say to wait so long before using Blue charms?
• Blue charms give lots of experience, and as it is easy to level with the other charms at first, it is a waste to use your blue charms, when you could gain way more experience in the long run by using them at higher levels.
• Why should Gold charms be saved from levels 28-51?
• Why should Spirit larupias not be made when they are essentially the same as Spirit graahks and Spirit kyatts?
• Spirit larupias are in lower demand, because they are not quite as useful, so it is better to make the other ones. Also Spirit kyatts can be used in the Piscatoris method of making pouches.
• Why should Ice titans not be made when they are essentially the same as Fire titans and Moss titans?
• Why make Wolpertingers?
• Making swamp titan pouches is about 2x faster than wolpertinger while wolpertinger provide more experience per pouch. If we assume one can consume 3,000 crimson charms per hour making swamp titan pouches, then 1,500 wolpertinger pouches can be made. Considering time taken gathering charms and making into pouches, given 3,000 crimson charms and 2 hour, wolpertinger grants 1,214,400 exp while swamp titan grants 1,120,800 exp and a free hour for charm gathering and pouch making. So if one can make up the 93,600 exp difference in one hour, which is gathering 251 crimson charms in 55 minutes and make into pouches in 5 minutes, then he/she is advised to make swamp titan. Gathering 251 crimson charms in 55 minutes is approximately 274 charm/hr which is the break-even point.
• What's the fastest way to make pouches? Where's the closest bank?
• As of the Temple Trekking update, a fast method is using the Nature Grotto obelisk via the Mort Myre gate shortcut reward from Temple Trekking. This will bring you right outside the Nature Grotto which is steps away from the obelisk inside. To bank, use an Amulet of Glory to Edgeville, and then use a Ring of Slaying to the Fremennik Slayer Dungeon to gain access to the Fairy Ring network, or simply use the Tokkul-Zo to teleport to the Fight Caves to both bank and access the Fairy Rings. Use Fairy Ring code C•K•S to teleport you a few steps north of the Mort Myre gate. Alternatively, you can teleport to Canifis using the Kharyrll teleport spell in the Ancient Magicks spellbook or use a POH Teletab if you have a Kharyrll portal. Use the bank in Canifis, then run back to the gate. The former method uses no inventory space if you're wearing the Glory and Slayer ring, or Tokkul-Zo, which means you can make more pouches per hour versus having runes or POH teletabs in your inventory.
• One of the fastest ways to make pouches is to trade noted ingredients with Pikkupstix in Taverley, buy them back, make pouches and sell them to Pikkupstix, repeating the process until the charm supply is over. Despite being probably the fastest way to create pouches, this method is very expensive and should only be used by players with a considerable amount of coins.
• (57 Summoning required) - The fastest method is to summon your Spirit Kyatt, click on your familiar, and use the Teleport option, this should take you only a few steps below a trapdoor, where a summoning obelisk is located for making pouches. Go down the trapdoor, and create familiar pouches. Then teleport to a bank with one of the following, bank your pouches, and repeat.
• An alternative to using the Spirit Kyatt is to use fairy ring code A•K•Q and the bank in Zanaris or Edgeville (fairy ring code D•K•R).
• If you have access to Wolpertingers and have unlocked the balloon near Castle Wars, another method is to use a ring of dueling and use it to teleport Castle Wars. Take charms, pouches, shards, 24 of the secondary ingredient, and logs and run to the balloon near Castle Wars. Travel to Taverley and run to the summoning obelisk there, make pouches, and teleport back to Castle Wars to repeat. *Note that your weight cannot exceed 40kg when doing this method; although weight reducing gear (such as boots of lightness and spotted cape) work.*
• (If you have completed Swan Song) - Either teleport to the Phoenix Lair by using a Phoenix lair teleport scroll or run to the Piscatoris Fishing Colony. Withdraw all of your supplies (Pouches, Spirit shards, etc.) from your bank from Arnold Lydspor and run south until you reach the Colony gate. Climb through the Hole and run southeast to the Summoning Obelisk (marked by the Summoning icon). Climb down the trapdoor, make your pouches and/or, scrolls, repeat.

## TriviaEdit

• Note that after reaching level 17 it is theoretically possible to get to any level (even level 99) in a single trip by making either Spirit mosquito pouches or Giant chinchompa pouches at the Feldip hills obelisk. Both of these familiars require a stackable tertiary ingredient, allowing a player to collect all the required charms and seconds for any level within a single inventory. While technically possible, it requires immense amounts of preparation and time (includes getting all the blue charms, and buying a maximum of 10,000 pouches at a time from the Grand Exchange), and you would have to drop all made pouches or turn them into scrolls, and does not have much of a benefit, so it is not suggested. The player could also do this method by buying mithril seeds, picking the flowers and making praying mantis pouches. For the above to work one must also make the pouches into scrolls or else the inventory would fill up from pouches or with a high enough summoning level swap them back for shards.

A way to avoid all the methods above is to have all the charms, pouches, shards, and noted secondary items at hand. Friends or people could trade you un-noted secondary items for noted items, although such an occurance without reward is highly unlikely.