RuneScape:Requests for adminship/Alchez

Alchez[]

Alchez ^{Talk • Contribs • Last 20 Forum - Main - User talk edits • Edit count}

Hello, fellow RSWikians. Over the past few months, as Jagex has come up with a plethora of updates, whether it be graphical, technical, support, community-based, so has the introduction of new pages on the Wiki. As I recognize one of the duties of an administrator to manage such pages, and the fact that I'm sometimes around during an update, I would like to be able to use admin tools to do so efficiently.

I, Alchez, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realise that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my tools because I realise that this is a serious offence. If the community finds that I have done so, my tools will be revoked, and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban. Signed, Al ch ez 15:07, November 9, 2012 (UTC).

Questions for the nominee[]

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
As said above, I will use these tools to protect new, vulnerable pages, deletion of unnecessary pages/files and for blocking users with extreme vandalism. I also agree to help out other users with their requests, whether it be moving pages, deleting subpages, etc.

2. What have been your most helpful contributions to the RuneScape Wiki, and why?
I think that my most useful contribution to the Wiki has been working with a major fraction of the quest guides, re-writing articles with detailed information, introduction of the 'Required for completing' sections. As such, I consider my best can be seen on While Guthix Sleeps, The Eyes of Glouphrie and Desert Treasure. I also helped out a fellow user in one of his projects, namely Amascut, proofreading and re-wording it.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
I haven't been in a conflict that couldn't be solved calmly. I plan to follow this even after becoming an administrator.

4. Should this request be successful, which of the following, if any, do you wish to be added to your account: Username highlight; IRC operator; Clan Chat administrator?
None

Additional questions (asked by the community if necessary)[]

Discussion[]

Oppose - I'm sorry, but I don't think you're experienced enough to be an admin yet. Also, I don't think you would need the tools that much. I haven't seen a situation yet where you requested a protection, deletion or block, so I don't see any need for admin tools for you. Maybe later when you've become more active in the community (At the time of creating this RfA, you had 3 Forum edits), more active in antivandalism, and more experienced at other wiki things, I think the chance is much bigger that I'll give you my support. For now, it's a no from me. JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 15:34, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

I understand. But I have to correct you by saying that I have requested for deletion of unused images after I'm done with a cleanup quite frequently. I know I'm quite inexperienced at the moment, but I feel that I can use them to grow on the Wiki and help it, and am not just requesting them for small, intermittent use. --Al ch ez 16:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Whilst you cite some of your best work as rewriting mainspace article, looking through your contributions, especially those you mentioned above, the vast majority of your edits include removal of content. Whilst I appreciate that articles should not contain irrelevant or outdated information, I disagree that cleanup is building the wiki, especially when you replace it with little else. However, seeing as you mentioned quest guides, I do see the need for clear and concise information perhaps justifying your mentioning them. I also see WGS passed a Featured Article nomination following your work to it, so I concede that you have some interest content writing.

Your plans for the tools are in line with what they are generally used for, but out of line of your general editing practices. I count 67 edits to deleted pages, largely to files. I do not justify this as a need for the deletion tool, although I can see (what I assume to be) you tagging images for deletion. This seems to be more of a casual practice than regular. Looking through your edits to userspace I see no warnings for vandalism, so again, I do not this as a need for the blocking tool. I have yet to find a way to substantiate a need for being able to protect pages, but as this is a rarely used tool in comparison to blocking/deleting, I cannot support a request based on that tool alone. You may have good intentions here, but lack experience in the fields you intend to you the tools for.

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To clarify, the removal of content on most of the pages is generally reverting vandalism. I'm guessing you are judging my edits based on the difference in bytes added/removed, because I have to disagree when you say that cleanup isn't building up a wiki, or that I do not add much to it, as you can see by each of my cleanup edits. I have only re-worked, added alot of details to improve the article.

As for my request for the tools, I understand that I do not have enough experience, but I assure you that they will only help me in helping the wiki more efficiently. Also, the 'protecting pages' was only one of the examples, as I've an idea about why new pages need to be protected and is one of the things I'd like to explore on the wiki, understanding that it is infact very rarely used.

Lastly, as an extra assurance, I look up to other admins to help me out when I'm doing something wrong or in need of some basic points and tips. --Al ch ez 16:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

I did spot a large edit to Prisoner of Glouphrie (I think), hence I cannot dispute that you are in fact adding to articles. It is true that I mainly looked at bytes as a mark of what you did. However, I also noted a lack of activity in User talk. Why did you not warn vandals as you removed their edits?

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I have no excuse for that, but I think the reason for that is I've never encountered a vandal who has come back for more vandalism. Just lucky, I guess. But, yeah, I think that's something I've missed, so thanks. :) --Al ch ez 16:45, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

In reply to your comment that you will be able to help the wiki more efficiently despite you not having enough experience, I'd like to say that you absolutely need enough experience with the wiki before becoming admin. Just take a look at some of the previous RfAs in the archives. Also, if you expect to need basic points and tips from other admins, I'm sure you're not ready to be admin yet. JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 16:59, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

What I meant by experience was limited to coding in languages like JS, PHP, etc which is what is used for more advanced work on here. And by needing basic points and tips, I just meant that I cannot know everything and as human, might be bound to miss something, because honestly I looked at three pages and two previous RfAs and it even got confusing at one moment. --Al ch ez 17:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - I just don't know who you are. A good step in the direction of admin would be to be more active in forum discussions and in our various social outlets, such as [[Special:Chat]] and IRC. User:TyA/sig 15:46, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, I get that a lot. In my defence, I'm not a very good conversationalist, so I generally avoid chatrooms and IRC. Though I promise, I will try to be more active on the forums than what I have been (3 edits as noted by Joey). --Al ch ez 16:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Tyler has summed it up well. Don't get ahead of yourself -- take time to become part of the community and give it another shot further down the road if you wish. Ronan^Talk 16:02, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Who are you? Just by looking through your deleted contributions I can see you have less than 50 speedy deletion requests, so no great need for the deletion tool. Also, on 19 October you got into a dispute with another user, in which by the looks of it you accused him of putting stuff in for the sake of it which to me looks like a violation of RS:AGF. This not only shows that you don't deal well with conflict, but that you don't understand the wiki's policies Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 17:02, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

I just recently started cleaning up articles, so naturally there's less RfD, but as I move onto more articles, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna need those tools. As for the conflict, I didn't jump into it. If you read my argument on the user's talk page, you'll see that I tried to explain to him why the relevant data should not be added to that page and even offered to help him, and did it again later. I meant absolutely no disrespect to anyone. --Al ch ez 17:12, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

So apply then, not now. And that does not ignore the fact that you still failed to assume good faith on his attempts by accusing him of putting stuff in for the sake of it, and you failed to mention RS:TRIVIA to him, which again to me indicates that you do not know our policies. Also, this lack of deletion requests has been going on for 2 years. A speedy d tag a couple times a month is no way near enough to validate the use of the tool Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 17:25, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty much every comment you make on RfAs make me question whether or not you understand AGF... so I wouldn't use that against someone else. To assume that, because of someone's responses they don't understand good faith is not assuming good faith yourself. It's a vicious cycle.

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Oppose - A successful RfA would need to be preceded by many months of solid activity and community engagement. Nobody likes to be told that they're not experienced enough, but you're not experienced enough. You don't appear to fully understand what the role of an administrator is here (not everyone does) and there's no indication that you're really familiar with the community here or all of its policies. You seem like a pretty affable guy with very good intentions, which can be a nice change of scenery. We're all better off for your contributions, but you haven't explained your sysop niche; even if you did, it would be difficult to trust your judgment just yet.

I would personally recommend that you withdraw this request, get more enmeshed in at least one of the wiki mini-communities (although you said that wasn't your forte), stay as active as you are, and then try back in a little bit. In the mean time, don't let this cresting wave of opposition dampen your spirits -- there's no reason you couldn't be a superb sysop in the near future. ʞo oɔ 17:18, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, you certainly have a way with words. :) Yeah, I have absolutely no qualms in being opposed by everyone; helps me learn about stuff. This is probably the reason why I haven't already withdrawn the request.

Although, honestly, I really don't see why a user cannot be a sysop just because he doesn't have enough edits in the required places, especially if they can make some better contributions around here. I mean, who knows, maybe I'll even become more active in the chat in the process of learning the ongoings around here. Just saying. --Al ch ez 17:27, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

The reason for this is so we can get an idea of how somebody is going to react in the occasion that they need to use the tools. As cook said, as we don't know what your judgement would be we can hardly trust it right now, and the only way we'll be able to tell your judgement is through experience Template:Signatures/Ciphrius Kane 17:31, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Weak oppose - The candidate is very active in content cleanup, creation and proofreading, as well as image maintenance. I believe the candidate would make great use of the ability of administrators to move-delete files to overwrite them for the purpose of fixing their names. However, I see very few Talk namespace contributions, no discussion on requests for page protection, no tagging for deletion, only one discussion on a RuneScape:Requests for X subpage, no undoes of vandal edits, no reporting of vandals or requests to block them (though it may have been off-wiki, but not in the chats).

The candidate seeks comments to learn from his mistakes, which is positive. (And no, you don't need to code to be an administrator, though it does help to know what you're putting in some pages.) These arguments average to Weak oppose.

a proofreader ▸

18:59, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Per proof. User:Jr Mime/Signature 22:03, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Support - You have some good contributions, and I'm sure that you'd be able to handle the admin tools well. Since it looks like this request will fail, I would recommend that you participate more in Forum:Yew Grove discussions, and perhaps methods of communication elsewhere. Otherwise, you'll start another RfA in good faith and get pile-on opposers harshly repeating the same stuff ;-)

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Oppose - Sorry, but I really don't see you having a need for the tools. Looking at your deleted contributions, you haven't had many opportunities where the sysop tools would be effective for you. I haven't seen you request for a page/file to be deleted in Chat greatly (or maybe because of my rather odd timezone), so that further suggests you don't need the tools.

Your edits are satisfactory, and I do hope you continue editing and uploading the occasional file. Editing doesn't require sysop tools, and you can contribute to this wiki greatly without them. I'm glad that you are keen to help out, such as by the examples you posted in your answer to Question 2, but even if this request is successful and you do get the tools, your edits won't differ much.

Your forum edits do concern me, and I hope what you said about you contributing to the forum space is true. And as Cook (and Ciph) said, this is vital for trusting you with the tools "and the only way we'll be able to tell your judgement is through experience". Haidro ^(talk) 22:22, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - Joey's statement pretty much sums it up. -- Spine^Talk 01:32, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Neutral - I'd support you, but I almost never see you in chat and barely know who you are. Honestly, you should come to chat more often. https://i.imgur.com/Om8N4.png^>>>^✯^Talk ^✯^HS^✯[[Special:Chat|<span style="color:black"><sup>Chat</sup></span>]]^✯^<<< 01:33, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - As others have said, you have demonstrated little need for admin tools. Your deleted contributions appear to be a mainly casual tagging of unnecessary/replaced images for deletion. You don't appear to warn users for their vandalism; even if you personally don't see them doing it multiple times, leaving a message on their talk pages tells other anti-vandals that this user/IP has a history of vandalism. Finally you're not very active in the community, you don't get involved in the Yew Grove very often, you come into [[Special:Chat|chat]] but rarely ever say anything. Maybe in a few months, if you improve on the issues that have been raised here, but not now. AnselaJonla 01:34, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Oppose - I really don't know who you are... try to be more community active Hair 01:44, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - Okay, so after reading all the comments, these are some of the things I would like to say: Again, I find the need to correct people that I do request for deletion of pages (how much is enough?). The reason why I do not request them on the 'Request for X' pages is because I have been provided with a {D} tag which, so far, has resulted in deletion of the respective pages, which meet the criteria, in under a minute or so.

Although I do realise that I should be more involved in the vandal's talk page, the reason why I haven't reported or requested to block someone, is simply because none of them has ever gone that far. Again, I may have been lucky.

So, as a conclusion, the only major reason for opposition I find is that there's not enough trust for me in using the tools. I think I'm going to let this thread be while I try to be more active in the community - maybe for a final evaluation at the closing date. Although I'm guessing all the important points have been covered, more users who need to present their opinions can do so too. Thank you :) --Al ch ez 08:10, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

"How much is enough?" - To where you cannot properly function without administrator tools. Doing basic maintenance that admins could do doesn't mean you need the tools. Anyway, I wanted to point out to you RS:SNOW's concept. You seem to be under the impression that in the remaining 13 days that this RFA is open, people will go from extreme bukkit oppose to extreme bukkit support. It takes most people months and months to gain community support/trust, not 13 days. <.< User:Urbancowgurl777/Signature 16:13, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

"Doing basic maintenance that admins could do doesn't mean you need the tools." The reason why I've put up this request is so that I could do that 'basic maintenance that admins could do'. Also, I'm familiar with RS:SNOW, which is not the reason why I plan to let this discussion run its course. It's so that in the next RfA, if there's one, I do not start from extreme bukkit oppose. --Al ch ez 16:33, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

You are speaking as if you only want the tools because you will do these basic maintenance. However, this should definitely not be the case. Anyone could then nominate themselves to be a sysop and say "I will close every thread and block all the bad people!", or some new user can create a RfCM and say, "I swear I won't abuse my tools," but that wouldn't work would it? We have to trust you and we need to see what would change if you did have sysop tools in comparison to now (edit wise, that is). Also, I don't understand what you mean by when you say "It's so that in the next RfA, if there's one, I do not start from extreme bukkit oppose." Many people have succeeded their first RfA and not received "extreme bukkit oppose". No one simply votes by the amount of RfAs someone has hosted, but by his or her actions. Take a look at User:Joeytje50 for example. He had four RfAs. Sure, he was successful in the end, but even if he had made only one at the time he had succeeded, it would not have made a difference. Look at User:Matthew2602. He had one RfA, which was successful. He did not "start at extreme bukkit oppose" (What even is that lol :o). Haidro ^(talk) 03:29, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

No, no, you went completely off-track to what I meant to mean. Haidro, do you really think I think that, more the number of RfAs hosted by a user, greater is their chances of becoming an admin? What I was trying to say is that in the remaining whats-the-number days, I just wanna show that I can be trusted with the tools, along with all the changes that have been recommended, and hopefully alter most opposing people's decision to atleast a neutral, if not support.

Also, I do have a need for the admin tools and, as an added incentive, understand and am ready to perform the other duties expected from an admin, without relying on another admin (I do have an odd timezone too). This is what I was trying to say in my previous reply.

It sounds fun, but I don't know what 'bukkit' means either. :P --Al ch ez 09:40, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

To clarify, "extreme bukkit oppose" is a grade of oppose on a scale partially invented by myself (and rwojy iirc). Extreme bukkit oppose > Extreme oppose > Strong oppose > Oppose > Weak oppose > Neutral < Weak support < Support < Strong support < Extreme support (this one invented by Aburnett) < Extreme bukkit support. It would actually be very interesting to see who said what first...

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And extreme neutral, don't forget extreme neutral. Haidro ^(talk) 08:48, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Where would you place that? Left or right of neutral? Or inside neuextreme neutraltral? Or outside it? extremeneutralneutral? . --Al ch ez 08:53, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Don't forget about Extreme attack potion. Also, don't forget to bring a towel! JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 16:19, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

(in reply to the starting comment here) - Your first comment seems to miss the point - What people say is that you seem to have quite few requests for deletion, but what they do mean is quite few {{D}} edits. You nominate quite few pages for speedy deletion, so what people are saying is that they'd doubt you'd need the deletion tool that much at all. Also, if it gets done within a minute or so, I think that shows that there are enough admins to handle those things.

In the vandal talk page point, it will never happen that someone who is actually active in antivandalism will not have to request a block atleast every week. If you would really be active in antivandalism, you would have had to do this too. The fact you haven't shows that you're not really active in antivandalism. I'll generate another editreport for you when TyBot rejoins IRC to show the amount of revert and undos you've done in total at User:TyBot/editreports/Alchez#Revert breakdown.

I don't think that the time remaining for this request is enough for people to suddenly trust you. Like fergs said, you need to build trust. That will likely take multiple months, or more than a year (just an estimate, don't take my word for this; it differs per person, of course). JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 16:19, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, anti-vandalism is not something I used to frequent in (I only used to revert vandalism from the pages I used to follow; realised I couldn't pay attention to the 'Recent Changes' tab while I'm cleaning up quest pages.) but it is one of the things I'm ready to accept as an admin's duties. Also, I get what you're saying about the SD edits, but 'under a minute or so' was supposed to mean less time. The file still stays up for quite sometime, like just today, a page I tagged for {{D}} was deleted 2 hours later. I don't know what that means, but maybe there aren't enough admins in my timezone than I thought. About the less number of requests, I think the number is increasing as I'm getting more involved in the community. So the need is greater now, if it wasn't earlier. Al ch ez 16:47, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

If you have an urgent request, such as a spammer somewhere, or inappropriate material somewhere, the best thing to do it to go to either Special:Chat, IRC, or if there's nobody there, the ingame Clan Chat. You can ask admins there for a speedier look at the trouble. I think anything urgent can be dealt with that way. JOEYTJE50 TALK pull my finger 16:58, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - Alchez will not be sysopped at this time. Dtm142 (talk) 01:27, November 23, 2012 (UTC)