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This is a request for the community to review Puremexican's use of his admin tools, as I have some concerns about his actions.

First of all, I do not think that Puremexican left the wiki in good standing, and do not understand why he was resysopped. When saying he was leaving for good, he made personal attacks on other users on his userpage [1], and apparently blocked Christine for fun.

Now that he has his powers back, he has made several, in my opinion, inappropriate actions. For example,

  • Thinking it is okay to block before reviewing, a clear violation of RS:AGF [2]
  • Insulting those he has blocked, feeding the trolls, violating the User treatment policy [3]
  • Blocking users without assuming good faith, such as when a user accidentally forgot a "0" at the end of a Grand Exchange price [4],
  • Using other users for what seems like his own testing purposes [5]
  • Blocking an IP with absolutely no contributions [6] (unless they were deleted, which is not stated in his block summary) [7], in which he made a comment that the said IP was homosexual, again violating RS:UTP.
  • Blocking a user who only made this good-faith contribution, allegedly "for being retarded" [8], again UTP.

...and these are just a few.

We cannot create an environment that is this hostile to newcomers. They are our most valuable source, and without them, the wiki would not be as good as it is today, because we were all newcomers once. In addition, our policies are here to help maintain a good atmosphere and help the encyclopedia flourish. If someone violates them, it degrades those goals.

When Puremexican became an admin, he signed this contract:

I, Puremexican, accept this nomination for adminship. I have read the policies concerning administrators. I realize that this nomination may fail. If I do get community consensus, I promise not to abuse my powers because I realize that this is a serious offence and if the community finds that I have done so, my powers will be revoked and in extreme cases I could be given a community ban.

Personally, I think he has failed to live up to this contract. I am trying to assume good faith of him. However, his actions are harming the development of our users and the wiki, and he either needs to stop these actions or have his admin powers removed. Butterman62 (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Comment - Heres what the I.P. did. Check the deleted user contributions. He created a page called Tip.It. and put (content was: '{{D|Spam and offensive/inappropriate content}} PWNS!* *Deletion of this article is an admission of flamboyant homosexuality.') The comment on "Homosexuality" was mere irony. As for blocking that I.P./User that made a mistake forgetting to put a 0 or something, I am only human, and being such, I made a mistake. Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 23:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

As for the rest of it I leave it for community discretion.Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 23:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Support Demotion to Rollback - Sysops are entrusted with a lot of power over the wiki. Misuse of this trust is not very great in means of providing a very community based setting for our users. Puremexican also stated that on Soldier 1033's RfA that he Opposed for specific reasons, then supported because he felt his oppose was cause he was having a bad day. Sysops need to be consistent with all there edits and beliefs. I too changed my supports in this RfA, but that is because I found additional information to persuade my edit, not because I was having an off day. I wish for Puremexican to continue to support and edit this wikia, but as a Rollback. 23:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Stay a sysop - He's not the only admin who has ever assumed bad faith. 00:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Another RFA All Sysops should be at least considerate, esp to other sysops. Calling everyone out when he quit is not the quality of an admin. ‎Cooked chickenAtlandy 20:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Do another RfA - Sorry, but since the time you left and when you came back, the expectations for administrators grew. Not to mention you didn't leave the most honorably. You asked to have your powers removed over a year ago (I think), and I would imagine that you would have to complete another RfA, with expectation inflation and all. If X1011 were to come back (of whom I do not know at all), I wouldn't be suprised if he had to do another RfA himself. When he was sysopped, there was no expectation. The same applies here, but to a lesser extent. Dragon helmChiafriend12Granite body (old)I have 12 friends. 01:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC) (Edit conflict)

Stay a sysop A few mistakes do not constitute removal of power. Cap and gogglesTEbuddy 02:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Desysop if one actually spends a few minute looking at the examples cited above, it is CLEAR he is abusing his powers. How did he even get those tools back when he rejoined? Assuming good faith is critical. I think very very hard every time I have to hit block on someone. I try to imagine how the edit could be an accident before I pull the trigger. I may have made a few mistakes but I really hope not. It's what all sysops should be doing, and he does not. He can contribute for a month or two then do another RFA.--Degenret01 08:17, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Stay a sysop Really torn about this one as while I am trying to assume he's not abusing his powers because his normal edits are constructive, it is clear that he's left some personal attacks and may have abused his rights, however, I am inclined to trust him and I think that he will do much more good than bad if he remains a sysop as he is on a lot and blocks true vandals most of the time, with only a few instances of uncertain use of blocks. Rollback crown Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 10:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Neutral/Do another RfA - Although he's made his share of errors, he is only human. As for the "for being homosexual" summary when he blocked an IP, I don't think that was a good choice of words for the summary but if you saw the article that IP created you'd agree that the block was fair. I was the one that tagged that page for deletion. As for the other mistakes, he definitely isn't the first admin to make mistakes like that. If he absolutely must then another RfA might need to be started, but I believe in giving people second chances and overall I see that Puremexican has done a lot more good than harm. In my opinion he should either do another RfA or retain his admin privileges. Andrew talk 04:03, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I didn't call him a homosexual, look at the content that was on the page he created. "Deleting this page is a flamboyant sign of homosexuality". Then look at my block summary.Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 14:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Pending - I'm not too sure about this one, I'm particularly confused about the circumstances under which his powers were reinstated. Dtm resysoped him with the comment 'Requested sysop powers - as he had left on good terms, he can be given adminship'. Was Dtm unaware of some of the leaving presents left by PureMexican? If the above revelations concerning PureMaxican would have meant that Dtm would not have given him his powers back had he known, then Desysop/RFA would be appropriate. Sysop crown Hurston (T # C) 15:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

RFA Request - I saw some of the posts made, and honestly felt like it was not something an Admin should say or do... Guthix crozier Eternalseed Guthix's Book of Balance

Comment - At this point I could care less what happens to my powers. As I have seen in past RfA's (not mine) my opinion/attempt to "fend" for myself does not matter. Whats done is done and I can't change that no matter how much i regret doing so. In the end, if you want to reap my powers because of a couple misjudged mistakes fine. If not thats great too.Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 20:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Puremexican, my goal is not to get you desysopped. My goal is to get these things to stop (sorry I didn't make that clear earlier). If you just want to go "Okay, I won't do it anymore", I'll drop the whole thing now. Butterman62 (talk) 22:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
If thats the case you could have taken this up with me on my talk page before going through all this trouble. It would have made me see my errors and taught me to be more careful...Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 00:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, that was my mistake. I've had bad experiences before doing that (not on this wiki, but elsewhere), with a message along the lines of "Go away, or else", and further rage ensuing of said people I talk to. I've got to remember that things are different here. So, it's over? :) Butterman62 (talk) 01:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I guess so? :)?Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 03:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Keep admin rights So what? He made some mistakes, big deal. Everyone is human and there is always the chance of mistakes in one's life. I'm certain he has learned from his mistakes. For the last couple of weeks since his return, I have seen many positive edits, many good things he has done. There is no reason to demote him for something that was done over 7 months ago. I feel that he will do a lot of great edits staying a sysop. --thheadshot-1.png'Spencer 'Lieutenant iconTalk | Contribs | EditsLieutenant icon 21:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

All the edits are from about one week ago to now, except for the ones concerning his resysopping. That's what concerns me. Had they been from that long ago, I wouldn't be as concerned. Butterman62 (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

New RfA - I don't care what anyone thinks of ME when I write this, it is about Puremexican. I don't understand why his powers were just given back to him either. But regardless, if he seems unfit, then they should be removed. If people think that he is fine, then he should not have to worry about completing another RfA successfully. Clearly blocking me for fun was stupid. What's worse what making a video of it and posting it on youtube. Adding the "flamboyant sign of homosexuality" to the block reason cannot be justified by "he did it first" because doing what Puremexican did was just feeding the trolls (along with the other edits and blocks that Butterman mentioned above), and this is something an admin should not do. I don't care if people don't like me, but it cannot be argued that I ever blocked anyone for fun, nor left in a huff and insulted people on my userpage. So no mentions of hypocrisy or any comments about MY behaviour here, this isn't about me. I don't see why a new RfA would be a big deal. Christine 02:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Ahaha. I knew that he would remove that video if I posted the link here. For anyone who would like to see it, I've saved a version. You can download it here. Chia has seen it, he should vouch for the authenticity. Someone tell me if the file and/or link doesn't work properly. Christine 19:27, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I closed the account and the warning said the videos and channel would remain on there...Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 19:29, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
=/ Andrew talk 19:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
How convenient, it's funny, I saved & converted the video just last night. I have such -amazing- timing, no, grabbing a copy before you close the account? Check the date. Christine 19:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Its hilarious. So hilarious i decided to log out of rs wiki and never log on ever again :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bye everyone do to my powers as you wish. Im gonna archive my talk page and never log on again. Byes!!Bandos godswordJmoDragon platebody, 19:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Consensus for new RfA then? Butterman62 (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)