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Since Template:Infobox non-player character was created, there has been a parameter where the skill and quest requirements to meet the NPC goes. But not only are those parameters hardly used, they're not even necessary a majority of the time. I recently counted up the times that they had something useful (not counting all the Nos). About 1,119 NPCs had something in their quest parameters and 226 NPCs had something in their skill parameters, some of them even just stated Yes. Out of 3,147 NPCs on the wiki, that's a very small percentage.

The parameters are also hardly necessary. Most NPCs don't have any requirements to meet them, and if they do, they are usually spoken of somewhere in the lead paragraph. The requirements are not so necessary that they belong in an infobox. They're unused, unnecessary, and I think we should just remove them.

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Support - As nominator. Nex 01:40, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. They take up a good amount of space too. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 01:46, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Half support - I'm a little at odds on the skill requirement (idk why) but whatever quest requirement there is for an NPC is covered by the Quest NPC parameter. MolManDltng Qst & Skll Rq Prmtrs 01:49, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I spent a short time reviewing the use of the other parameter and it's just as crap. MolManDltng Qst & Skll Rq Prmtrs 02:02, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - What about hiding those if it says "No"? bad_fetus^talk 02:51, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

I think that would only work for the skill requirement and considered that as well, but it's just so useless as Nex has said; the |questrequired is just total crap and redundant. MolManDltng Qst & Skll Rq Prmtrs 02:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Support. bad_fetus^talk 17:28, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead - Doesn't seem like it's useful to me. --King Liquidhelium^Talk 03:57, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Strong support - I was seriously planning to make this same thread today. Fswe1 Lore project • Fun gallery
My quests • Cutscenes 05:31, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Support - works the same with all other parameters that aren't used much. JOEYTJE50TALK  10:28, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Per all. Didn't actually realise it was that useless until now. Haidro ^(talk) 13:14, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Please, oh please. It'll clean up so much. 16:56, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Per what's been said above. Also, a Question - Will someone(s) need to go through with AWB and delete this parameter, or will MediaWiki just ignore it? Michagogo (talk) 21:32, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ignored, but cook can go through and delete the unneeded. MolManDltng Qst & Skll Rq Prmtrs 21:34, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Most of them can be AWBed, the rest won't take too long. Nex 23:01, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think his concern was: would having these parameters, that don't exist in the template, present on a page ruin the layout? The answer is no, but either way an AWB or some other fast method will still end up removing the uselessness. MolManDltng Qst & Skll Rq Prmtrs 20:33, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Remove 'em from all pages first, then from the infobox template. Fswe1 Lore project • Fun gallery
My quests • Cutscenes 04:59, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Why would you even want to do it that way? Just remove it from the infobox template, the rest isn't even important. bad_fetus^talk 16:27, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, but the parameters need to be removed from the pages as well, otherwise people will just keep adding them to new articles. This shouldn't take any time at all if using, as mentioned, an AWB or enslaving Cook (again). Fswe1 Lore project • Fun gallery
My quests • Cutscenes 19:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah -- as long as it won't break all the pages, it'd be just a matter of running it through AWB. Once this closes, I'll set Michabotbot on it if nobody else does. OTOH, if this closes during October, CMP would probably prefer to do it. Michagogo (talk) 22:13, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

This definitely won't last into October. It can probably be closed in a week or two per RS:SNOW. Nex 23:05, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Rsa makes a very good point. -- Spine^Talk 22:22, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Comment - What about the music tracks? They also have this parameter. Haidro ^(talk) 09:41, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

They actually have some use there (|skillrequired could be disputed) but definitely keep |questrequired; we'd sound absolutely stupid to ask Does this music track play a role in any quest? - It's better to ask if a quest is required to unlock the track. --- Or is your question Will these accidentally be deleted in the process of removal? - No bot fails that badly. MolManDltng Qst & Skll Rq Prmtrs 21:21, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

A user has requested closure for Deleting Quest & Skill Req Parameters. Request complete. The reason given was: Per RS:SNOW. Delete the parameters and have a bot remove them from pages with Infobox non-player character, or something. Only remove the skill parameter for music tracks.

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My quests • Cutscenes 11:05, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Support - Too rare to be necessary. When there is a significant level requirement, it can be mentioned in the lead paragraph, like Nex said.  C Teng ^talk 20:27, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Closed - obvious consensus to remove the parameters from the infobox. AnselaJonla 10:10, September 4, 2012 (UTC)