Forum:Ban Bawble

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This is a pretty simple decision. I don't have any screenshots, though they do exist. Anyone who has been in the CC with him knows why he ought to be banned. He is not a convivial member of the chat and we do not need to tolerate his shenanigans any longer. User:(wszx)/sheeeeple 00:29, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

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Support. I've seen him in action. Oh, and for those of you who aren't sure what is at stake here: Bawble is egotistical, disrespectful, and provocative. The one time I had the misfortune of sharing a clan chat with him, he was aggressively criticizing another player in the chat for what he saw as use of inefficient equipment during Slayer tasks. He also spoke of matters such as money-making, and implied that anyone who doesn't do it his way (merchanting) is subpar. I heard that others have had trouble with him before that, and I'm not surprised to see this thread here. Others who've spoken with him should feel free to share their experiences. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 00:33, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Who? https://i.imgur.com/7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH _{(Actually Stinko)} 00:35, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Bawble. User:(wszx)/sheeeeple 00:38, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I am sick of him assailing everything we talk about and saying how pointless it is. He thinks his way of playing the game is the only way and we can't enjoy it however we play it. The Last Pun ^Talk 00:39, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Constantly "baiting" other users, which is as bad as trolling. He should find somewhere else to hang out.

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Support - I have never seen him contribute positively to a conversation. Riblet15 07:30, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - He has been going all day and for some reason hasn't been kicked. He criticises people for no reason and just says everything he does is right and what other people do is wrong unless it is what he does. Sentra246 08:00, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Because when he does get kicked he goes and adds screenshots to the last thread calling them "unjust". To anyone seeing just that tiny snippet, it appears that he is being unjustly picked on. I don't think any of the ranks really want to go through that again.

Support - It is very hard to really piss me off but Bawble manages it. He trolls, insults people and picks on anyone who doesn't follow his methods exactly. And then when he is finally kicked he has the nerve to call his kicks unjust by showing snippets of chat. He then demands that all evidence shown by any other wikian be deemed fake? Wikians that have earnt trust of the entire community. He's got to go. - User:Pharos 5/Signatures/Official/iPhone 08:31, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Need screenshots If for no other reason than to show we are not banding together just because no one likes him. In every society there the people that no one likes. You can shun them, but not lock them up/ban them. Maybe everyone should add this guy to ignore.--Degenret01 08:35, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why can't we ban someone simply because we all dislike him and don't want him in the cc? The cc is not a right; we don't need any reason to disallow someone's presence other than "we don't want you here." We don't have to prove to anyone that we're not banding together because we don't like him—it's our cc. User:(wszx)/sheeeeple 17:04, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Every single thing you said is 100% wrong. Get over yourself. The CC is open to all unless offenses are committed.--Degenret01 17:13, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why isn't "offending most every user in the cc" an offense? User:(wszx)/sheeeeple 20:46, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

He's not just offending people, he's breaking/coming VERY close to breaking several policies. Even though the CC isn't the wiki, wiki rules apply. User:Real Not Pure/Signature 10:47, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Support - You may need screenshots, but we've seen the guy in action. A troll that aims for nothing else except to disrupt conversation and baiting other wikians. He'll hardly be missed by anyone, I'm sure. User:LordDarkPhantom/Signature 08:41, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- Since you guys are so obsessed with full chatlogs, here's the one that I posted in the last topic before it got locked, incase you didn't see it

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2847/101227103948k.png

Please explain why that deserves a kick? That is the entire conversation, my first word to my last word, I didn't think giving my opinion on a range weapon would deserve a kick. You people say that I'm "trolling" when I'm giving my opinion, you guys think that everything I say about your methods of training being slower than mine is just to make you angry, even though my methods of training are faster and more efficient. I'd like to point out near the end, where I got kicked, someone asked me why I thought armadyl was a waste of time, and I gave them a valid response. Halo on the other hand, just calls me a moron and a troll, even though most of runescape knows that armadyl is simply a huge waste of time, teams take way too long to find, the hilt isn't even that much anymore, etc. Is it Halo's own ignorance? Does he really think that Armadyl is a good place to go for money, and he thinks that someone calling it a waste of time is just trolling even though it's not? And for the record, I have a chaotic crossbow/rigour, and I am not impressed. Sincerely, Bawble 71.132.217.134 13:14, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

When ever someone levels you just qc your level to show off and other times you just say what people do is wrong and that what you do is always right and better. Sentra246 13:18, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not voting just yet, but Sentra's last part is key. People are entitled to their own opinion, and they are free to act on it when it's not hurting anybody. If they want to kill the Armadyl boss for fun, they can do that. It's not your job to go in and tell them why you think that's stupid and a waste of time. Members of the cc clearly found that obnoxious (and frankly, arrogant), and continuing to do so after this was made clear amounts to trolling, hence your kick. User:Stelercus/Signature 13:25, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

"People are entitled to their own opinion, and they are free to act on it when it's not hurting anybody." Yet you are trying to prevent bawble from expressing his opinion? He has some strong held opinions yes, but I don't see anything in that chat log that constitutes a severe breach in UTP. He's not hurting anyone by saying those things, and if he is, it can 100% be solved by using the ignore list. Also, to Sentra, someone asked what his crafting level was. Don't you see it there? Now all I have is this particular screenshot to go on, as I'm not in CC that often (or at all in the past few months), but I am inclined to believe that he often behaves worse than that, since so many other people I trust are supporting (everyone in here except Riblet, who I hate). But if indeed this is what all his conversations are like, then I don't support his blocking as this is about the mildest breech in UTP as ever there was. http://i631.photobucket.com/albums/uu33/Psycho_Robot/Sigs%20and%20Avatars/kitty.pngPsycho Robot talk 18:35, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with him showing his opinion, it's the way he does it that annoys everyone. He states his opinion on matters, then claims that it's far better than anyone else's, and anything else is a waste of time - I'm reminded slightly of the Aaroncampf scenario, albeit in a different place (this in the CC, the other on-wiki). I can't give any chat logs, as I forgot to screenshot anything I saw (plus GE spam deleted most of the clan chat), but I assure you, he broke at least 3 policies, as seen below. He also completely ignored me when I asked him to read RS:AEAE, after he said Halo wasn't allowed to know a high-level Dungeoneering world because he wasn't high-levelled enough. He disregards policies, and that should not be allowed, on- or off-site. User:Real Not Pure/Signature 20:17, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yes having an opinion is fine but what the way he does it is completely wrong and just rude. Sentra246 07:23, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tbh if he's a member of a high level dungeoneering clan such as 3BO, he's probably required not to give away information about their dungeoneering world. I think he also said that Halo wouldn't be allowed to join any of the parties there anyway, which is probably true.  Gangsterls  _talk 19:54, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Support-*Quote*I have never seen him contribute positively to a conversation. Riblet15 07:30, December 28, 2010 (UTC)*Unguote* I agree with this.-- Yt'Haar-Mej-Joelthefrog1 16:20, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support- He seems to purposly come into the clan chat just to troll and acts like he wants to be kicked. -- Hellow533 ^Hiscores 16:24, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - What I like to call a semi troll. Nothing major but constant showing off and subtle insults. He must be punished. User:Swizzl3d/Sig 16:28, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Needs to stop being a stuck up asshole about himself, enjoy the game more, and respect people for not being elitists. If we clearly don't want him in the channel, then he has problems he can only deal with. --Lashazior 16:31, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - In case anyone wants reasons beyond "He's an idiot", here's a list of policies he violated last night:

• RS:AEAE (or whatever it's called now) - Refusing to give Halo information because he's a "low level Dungeoneer"
• RS:GTS - Telling Gaz to read the CC rules after he said Bawble was "Being a ****** about [trolling]"
• RS:UTP - Repeatedly saying people are wrong, and not letting people have their own opinions

(I always wanted to do one of those!) User:Real Not Pure/Signature 17:42, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget the where its very borderline on breaking any rules, but he's riling up the CC - UCS appropriate for kick.  @Gaz#7521 18:33, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support per Real.

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17:48, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - I've seen him do bad stuff in the Wikia CC, and Real makes a good reason for it. Spine^Talk 20:53, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Support - If none of the above reasons are enough, I assure you the last image posted in Forum:Unjust kicking! is photoshopped or edited in some manner. I have never pmed or added him in any circumstances, and although this is difficult to prove, until he starts doing it to the rest of you. If we don't get rid of him now, this is only going to get others in trouble. He's here to stir shit up. melon 21:48, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

In comment to this message, I saved that image and magnified it 2400 times. Here is the result:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/suntigerrevival/inc1.png

I'm not arguing either way, but the shades of green in the background are inconsistent with the rest of the background, and it looks to me, personally, like a short phrase was edited out and a new one put in over its place. Here is a screencap of the next part of the sentence, showing where it looks like a ")" ended the edited out part, and the texture returns to normal:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/suntigerrevival/inc2.png

Not voting either way, just thought I'd share my findings. I ask anyone who sees this to please, save the image yourself and zoom in for your own selves, as it's just an inconsistency I saw, but not necessarily correct in my assumption.

Alternatively, if people have issues with him, your ignore list is a wonderful place to start. Any comment of "I don't want to waste the slot on him" or any other excuse is quite honestly invalid. Swallow your pride and just ignore him if it means that much to you. Karlis (talk) (contribs)

16:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

So you're saying that the "stay out of the cc" part might be fake, but the "dumb black kid" part isn't? Can we possibly compare this with the green background of a test pm to see if there are always variations in color due to the fact that if the ground was all the same shade of green it would look unnatural?  Gangsterls  _talk 16:39, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

If you look at the image, Bawble seemed to have it on the lowest detail settings. Those inconsistencies do not fit into the texture, and obviously on low detail settings you aren't going to have much detail and coloring to make it look natural like apparently there was in his image. These pixels that don't fit in with the surrounding green areas where the text is are very suspicious and I believe the image has been tampered with. Bawble seems to have filled in the text from another person that he used to make it look like Melon sent a message to him with different shades of green he thought would fit well in the area, but obviously he did not do a good enough job. I could be wrong, but I am very sure about this. The Last Pun ^Talk 17:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

I was actually stating that the entire phrase appeared to be added in, but the first part could possibly be a comment sent by someone else to get a blue message appear second in line next to the login message, and was erased to shop this phrase in. Either way, I'm no expert in this field. Karlis (talk) (contribs)

16:44, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Borderlining multiple policies is in itself breaking GTS. Per all. 222 ^talk 05:55, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Bawble adds nothing productive to clan chat. He only hurts it. User:Haloolah123/Sig 22:42, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- So I just got back from the Gym, and I go in the cc and of course, as soon as I enter everyone makes rude comments, corrects my grammar mistakes, calls me a liar about going to the gym, etc. And of course, I get kicked about 5 minutes later for some reason.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9139/101230051813.png

What did I do wrong this time? I was simply reccomending saradomin brews instead of rocktail, because the quest he is doing is fairly difficult, and does take quite a bit of food. If I got kicked for saying 'son' at the end of my sentence, that is just how I talk, and no one has had a problem in the cc for it before. I'm tired of people starting arguments with me for no reason, just because they don't like the fact that I'm in the cc. Also, about me not giving the dungeoneering world to Halo, it was because the world is STRICTLY for high levels (100+ dungeoneering), I used to be ranked in the worlds cc (before I quit dungeoneering), and they told us not to give out the world to 2 binders (people with under 100 dungeoneering). Am I supposed to completely disregard that and give it to someone with 87 Dungeoneering like Halo? I don't think so. I was then told that I was required to give it to halo, because of the AEAE policy, and Halo said he wasn't even going to dungeoneer, he just wanted to know the world for reference, but I knew this was a lie because I looked at his adventure's log and he was dungeoneering, and of course, later that day, Halo was in the 100+ world, probably trying to get a team and getting denied due to his lack of 3 binds. In the end, I was just trying to help him not waste time in that world, because it is difficult to get on teams without having 100+. Sincerely, Bawble 71.132.217.134 13:44, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Actually Bawb, anyone who told you that our AEAE policy applies to that situation is wrong. Correct them or ignore them. We would be wrong to ban a wikian from a wiki event, we have zero say in what other clans do, and most of us know it.--Degenret01 16:31, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Inside the Wiki CC, you follow the CC rules. He didn't mention anything about being ranked in that CC, or about this agreement that the world has to be kept secret. if he had, then I'm sure nobody would be mentioning this...but he didn't, so here we are. User:Real Not Pure/Signature 21:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Evidence

--Lashazior 15:47, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

What cc rule/policy violations is this evidence of? He states his opinion that mining stars is a waste of time because granite is faster, someone says that stars are better because they can be afk'ed, he points out that afk'ing is against the RS rules, and he gets kicked. The worst thing he did was say "please go read the rules child," using the word "child" as a personal attack (which I stated my opposition to early in the video), and even that came after civility was abandoned multiple times by others (i.e., 'we do things for fun, not xp, until you get that through your very thick skull, everyone will continue to hate you.'). Is the biggest complaint about him really that he doesn't play RS the same way as some others?  Gangsterls  _talk 16:34, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

It's not WHAT he said, it's HOW he said it. I see that comment as quite sarcastic - Bawble, before you comment, read on - and a rank must have seen it the same way. (I'm doing a bit of guesswork here, if the kicker comes forward, that'll help!) Knowing how heated arguments involving Bawble tend to get, I'd say that said rank kicked to try and avoid a flame war. If he had said, "Why not use sara brews" instead, or something like that, instead of being sarcastic, then all would be well. User:Real Not Pure/Signature 21:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comment- Well, first of all, I've never even seen this 'Omid' player before, why are you calling him my friend? Just because he's 109 dungeoneering doesn't mean we know eachother. All high levels aren't friends. And what exactly is this video evidence of? Me getting wrongly kicked? Thanks. In the video, you guys say that AFK training is not against the rules, and after I said it was, I was kicked, what was that for? I'll bring up this quotation from the RuneScape rules

"AFK training is Away From Keyboard training. While you are playing on our games, you must be at the computer. Away-from-keyboard training is not allowed, and you should log out when you leave the computer."

Basically stated that in the cc in different wording, what was I kicked for? Love, Bawble 71.132.217.134 16:40, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Umm...You both said pretty much exactly the same thing User:Swizzl3d/Sig 20:26, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Bawb said that granite was faster xp than stars. However, he said it after Degen had invited the CC to come and join him, then said that "Wiki fun = huge xp waste". He doesn't appear to realise that XP is not all people care about - and given that the word "fun" was included in this conversation, it should be fairly obvious that Degen invited people so that they could have fun. He NEVER mentioned training using stars (I think). User:Real Not Pure/Signature 21:19, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support. Constant trolling and insulting in the CC must stop. Today someone said he's been working on a clue for a while, and bawble said "I hope you get 45 guthix arrows." I dont have a screenie, but maybe someone else does. -- (@)ʇɐusʌʇɐu(@)(@)(@) 20:33, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Evidence Oh you mean this screenie?

http://i52.tinypic.com/116rwg5.jpg

Yes hard to see but still readable, this screenie is made from the top and bottom of two others, I can post said two if need be. https://i.imgur.com/WgvxeSr.png - https://i.imgur.com/frouZAC.png 21:11, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Reupploaded picture, same content. https://i.imgur.com/WgvxeSr.png - https://i.imgur.com/frouZAC.png 21:17, December 30, 2010 (UTC)